Messages In This Digest (20 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: BG testing From: Holly Shaltz
- 1b.
- Re: BG testing From: AnaLog Services, Inc.
- 1c.
- Re: BG testing From: AnaLog Services, Inc.
- 1d.
- Re: BG testing From: mary slack
- 1e.
- Re: BG testing From: Jude
- 2a.
- Re: Quenching Thirst From: Tiamat
- 2b.
- Re: Quenching Thirst From: Tiamat
- 3a.
- Re: Quenching Thrist From: Tiamat
- 3b.
- Re: Quenching Thrist From: Holly Shaltz
- 3c.
- hot water itch relief From: Jude
- 3d.
- Re: hot water itch relief From: ott chip
- 4a.
- Re: I would appreciate your comments... From: lawenforcementmom
- 4b.
- Re: I would appreciate your comments... From: Holly Shaltz
- 4c.
- treating skin infection in the diabetic From: Jude
- 4d.
- Re: I would appreciate your comments... From: AnaLog Services, Inc.
- 4e.
- Re: I would appreciate your comments... From: AnaLog Services, Inc.
- 4f.
- Re: I would appreciate your comments... From: Holly Shaltz
- 5a.
- Some Bariatric Surgery Types Better than Others... From: brian cooper
- 5b.
- Re: Some Bariatric Surgery Types Better than Others... From: AnaLog Services, Inc.
- 6.
- allergic break-out/diabetes From: GJ
Messages
- 1a.
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Re: BG testing
Posted by: "Holly Shaltz" holly@shaltzfarm.com hollyshaltz
Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:55 pm (PST)
Be aware that testing "alternate sites" is not as
timely as the fingertips. I've read in several
places that they lag behind fingertips as much as
15 minutes, so if you've got rapidly-changing BGs,
it could lead you to not properly diagnose a low.
Holly in MI
- 1b.
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Re: BG testing
Posted by: "AnaLog Services, Inc." analog@logwell.com sydlevine
Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:07 pm (PST)
I have wondered about that. Does it hurt much?
Syd
----- Original Message -----
From: mary slack
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Type-2-Diabetes] BG testing
I test on the palm if my hand. Kind of off on the side.
--- On Tue, 12/29/09, AnaLog Services, Inc. <analog@logwell.com > wrote:
From: AnaLog Services, Inc. <analog@logwell.com >
Subject: Re: [Type-2-Diabetes] BG testing
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:31 AM
Try testing on the forearm. It is less painful and works just fine. A few meters are calibrated for it. I absolutely abhor finger pricks! I use the Freestyle meter,
Syd
----- Original Message -----
From: Dolores
To: Type-2-Diabetes@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] BG testing
I'm new to all this and have some basic questions. I'm right handed and do my BG testing on my left hand. My fingers can get pretty sore as a result. Sometimes, my fingers bruise around the poke. Are most people ambidextrous with their BG testing? How many times you use a lancet? I also have Reynauds which means when I'm cold, I don't have much blood in my fingers which makes it hard to test. Any suggestions?
dolores
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Re: BG testing
Posted by: "AnaLog Services, Inc." analog@logwell.com sydlevine
Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:09 pm (PST)
There is some lag, but from a practical standpoint, it usually would not be that critical even for a hypo episode. One could overtreat a low following Jude's 15 minute rule if using a lagging alternative site, but again, a little experience takes care of that little problem. Personally, lows hit me so hard, I can tell when I am coming back even before a fingertip test would be definitive.
I would rather shoot insulin all day long than suffer one single finger stick. I do dearly hate em. I would not test nearly as often if I had to do finger sticks, so the alternative sites are a very good thing for me.
Syd
----- Original Message -----
From: Holly Shaltz
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Type-2-Diabetes] BG testing
Be aware that testing "alternate sites" is not as
timely as the fingertips. I've read in several
places that they lag behind fingertips as much as
15 minutes, so if you've got rapidly-changing BGs,
it could lead you to not properly diagnose a low.
Holly in MI
- 1d.
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Re: BG testing
Posted by: "mary slack" maryrose16@yahoo.com maryrose16
Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:53 pm (PST)
It doesn't hurt me at all.
--- On Tue, 12/29/09, AnaLog Services, Inc. <analog@logwell.com > wrote:
From: AnaLog Services, Inc. <analog@logwell.com >
Subject: Re: [Type-2-Diabetes] BG testing
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 2:02 PM
I have wondered about that. Does it hurt much?
Syd
----- Original Message -----
From: mary slack
To: Type-2-Diabetes@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Type-2-Diabetes] BG testing
I test on the palm if my hand. Kind of off on the side.
- 1e.
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Re: BG testing
Posted by: "Jude" peridotjude@yahoo.com peridotjude
Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:03 pm (PST)
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , "AnaLog Services, Inc." <analog@...> wrote: I would rather shoot insulin all day long than suffer one single finger stick. I do dearly hate em. I would not test nearly as often if I had to do finger sticks, so the alternative sites are a very good thing for me. Syd>com
I can tell you never had a baby, Syd. *joke, it's a joke!*
But srsly, if you always compare arm tests with arm tests or finger tests with finger tests or palms of hand tests with palms of hand tests, wouldn't that sort of eliminate the problem of weird-they-don't-match-up readings? If someone used the arm for one test and then a few minutes later switched to the finger, I can see why that might lead to delay problems, etc. Just using my common sense here, I have no idea what the meter manufacturers recommend.
Judy D.
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Re: Quenching Thirst
Posted by: "Tiamat" tiamat99@comcast.net lulamoon99
Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:15 pm (PST)
I know that thirst is probly due to too high bg but others have addressed that already. This is a tangent thought:
I was sad to think I could never have a beer again...very rarely drank it but sometimes it was just the one perfect thing when thirsty. I discovered it wasn't the beery part of beer I wanted, it was the cold cold bubbly part...I found that plain, very cold, soda water did the job very well [and didn't put me to sleep.]
I think I read somewhere that bubbly drinks do get colder than non bubbly so when really thirsty try plain soda water.
Tiamat
----- "Ruth Sheehan" <irishayes@charter.net > wrote:>
Me too!!
Last year right before I was dx'd I was so thirsty and real Coca Cola was all I was craving! NEVER in my life have I drank non-diet soda,.......
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Re: Quenching Thirst
Posted by: "Tiamat" tiamat99@comcast.net lulamoon99
Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:53 pm (PST)
These are just suggestions, things I like. You have to check and see if they fit your WOE and don't make your bg go up. If taken with a meal it will slow down the absorption of carbs and have less impact on bg. If you find it sets off cravings etc then don't use.
I make green tea in the morning. All day you can add a few dashes of the tea to water or plain soda. Can use green or flavored teas, have over ice. Japanese green tea, Sencha, has a natural sweet taste and needs no sugar. You can use black tea but may need a tiny pinch of sugar. Sometimes I have a few Tblspns of coffee left from bkfst: pour over ice cubes and add cold water, can add dash of whipped cream if desired.
Use one oz of juice to add to tall glass of cold water. [Ice if desired]
[Divide Total Carbs/8 oz (usual) serving to get carb count for one oz.]
Make coffee: when cooled put in blender add heavy cream and dash sugar if desired [or sweetener] pour over ice cubes. *IF* allowable can add rum/Kahlua etc.
A favorite: Pour over ice cubes in tall glass:
1 can V8 + 1 can cold water
add several Tblspns plain yogurt
Stir gently. Can add few drops
hot sauce if desired.
Add two or three oz. Prune Juice to very cold water, over ice cubes. It's sweet, delicious, and 'a friend'. [Figure carbs from label..Total Carbs /8oz =carbs/oz.
Can add a squeeze of lemon or lime or orange to tea or plain water or plain soda water. I do not drink diet anything.
A favorite summer trick is to make a large glass (or clear plastic) pitcher of lightly brewed green tea and cut round, very thin slices of lime to add to pitcher. It is tasty and very beautiful.
Fill empty plastic water bottles @ one third full and freeze. To drink: Fill with cold water and add some leaves of mint.
Tiamat
----- "dolores desideri" <djdesi98@gmail.com > wrote:
What do you drink that is healthy and does not contain artificial sweeteners? Water gets pretty boring.
> dolores
>
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Re: Quenching Thrist
Posted by: "Tiamat" tiamat99@comcast.net lulamoon99
Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:12 pm (PST)
At one point, some years ago, I just ate myself into crazy land: carbs, etc. Long story, bottom line: a total eclipse of the heart and [I thought] the only solution was death or eat. I felt I still had work to do so I chose 'eat' and ate and ate: cake, pie,doughnuts, icecream...whatever! Even as I ate I could see hives and red welts appear all over bod. Itchy and scary.
Finally went to allergist doc and got total diet revision and no one mentioned dm! altho I think that's what was happening. Drastic WOE change and bod stopped sending angry hives complaint messages . Hasn't ever happened again but I have never eaten like that again either...[or been as heartbroken.]
Tiamat
----- "GJ" <gj.lentz76@gmail.com > wrote:
> on a different note, I wanted to ask you folks about any possible link you might have had with diabete/high bg, and rashes/hives? I first went to a dr because of the hives was put on prednisone, and beause of my excess drinking (water, lol)
- 3b.
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Re: Quenching Thrist
Posted by: "Holly Shaltz" holly@shaltzfarm.com hollyshaltz
Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:20 pm (PST)
Gregory writes:
<<This past month since being diagnosed it has
gone back to normal, with meds and diet/exercise
to get the bg under control. Im hitting 128-155
fasting now, 155-210 before/after meals, when I
was 275-400 at the very start. >>
Wow, that's GREAT progress! Pat yourself on the back!
<<Diet and exercise are not ideal, but getting
better, lol, work in progress.>>
A life-long WIP, and hopefully a long-life one
besides :)
<<Still testing myself to see what bumps it and
what doesnt, my biggest thing is portions, its
been nothing for me to eat a whole box of macaroni
cheese by myself and want a bowl of cereal an hour
later.>>
Carbs can do that to you - they skyrocket your BG
and then leave you hungry besides! Do you weigh
and measure your food when eating at home? I
expect to need to do that for a LOOOONG time to
come, maybe forever :)
<<I work in a restaurant so grazing is/has been a
problem, so I struggle to stop snatching french
fries and tostada chips.>>
That's a tough one! Can you enlist the help of
your coworkers? Not in a naggy sort of way - I
get my DH and DD to help me by telling them "X" is
calling my name, would they please bag it or hide
it or freeze it or eat it or take it to work or
whatever. If I can't see it, I usually don't feel
cravings for it.
<<I wanted to ask you folks about any possible
link you might have had with diabetes/high bg, and
rashes/hives?>>
It's interesting you should say that, and someone
else thought there might be a connection, because
I had severe hives the last couple months before
my diagnosis at the end of August 08. I have
assumed it was the result of taking a largish dose
of Vit E. Having the hives be a result of high
BGs never occurred to me. I hope I never find
out! <g>
<<Im really stumped as to what has been causing
it, and think itmay be a combination of many
things but mainly stress??>>
For sure, hives can be caused by stress, eczema
too. I've had both at various times, clearly
stress-related.
I was put on Zyrtec for my hives, and they helped
a lot - had been taking Benadryl, but it didn't
work as well. Oatmeal baths are good. Soak the
areas that itch in the hottest water you can stand
(if you have trouble feeling heat, use a
thermometer to make sure it's NOT hot enough to
scald you). Heat makes the histamine be released,
and it takes hours for it to recharge - hours in
which you will be virtually itch-free. Of course,
while soaking in the hot water, it itches worse
than ever! But if you can get past that, you'll
be amazed at the drug-free relief.
And do try to not scratch too much. I ended up
with an infection over about half the skin of my
legs, from scratching the hives. It was so bad
I'd wake up at night (assuming I managed to get to
sleep first!) already scratching, and crying from
the pain. Not fun!
There are, BTW, generic versions of Zyrtec that
work just as well but cost half as much. My
insurance wouldn't pay for it, even though it was
by prescription, so I started trying the generics.
You're in "bc, mi"? I live near Boyne City,
Michigan - any relation to your address? :)
Holly in MI
- 3c.
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hot water itch relief
Posted by: "Jude" peridotjude@yahoo.com peridotjude
Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:16 pm (PST)
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , Holly Shaltz <holly@...> wrote: <snip> Soak the areas that itch in the hottest water you can stand (if you have trouble feeling heat, use a thermometer to make sure it's NOT hot enough to scald you). Heat makes the histamine be released, and it takes hours for it to recharge - hours in which you will be virtually itch-free...com .you'll be amazed at the drug-free relief.>>
This is also a good remedy for vaginal itching, for the ladies among us who suffer from repetitive yeast infections in that area. Use one of those hand held shower nozzle thingies (or sit in the tub) and direct the hottest water you can bear on those tissues, for a few minutes, if you can-- the itching will cease and desist, as Holly said, for a few hours.
<< And do try to not scratch too much>>
Scratching is a good way to set up a bacterial infection, cellulitis, etc. It might feel good at the moment, but the rebound effect is just more itching. And then pain, when the bacteria gain an entrance into the skin. Absolute torturous misery, IMO.
Judy D.
- 3d.
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Re: hot water itch relief
Posted by: "ott chip" ottchip2006@yahoo.com ottchip2006
Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:53 pm (PST)
works wonders for bouts of poison ivy etc...hours of relief is right!
In everything there is a lesson...pray you learn it...in all ways
be thankful
--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Jude <peridotjude@yahoo.com > wrote:
From: Jude <peridotjude@yahoo.com >
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] hot water itch relief
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 8:13 PM
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , Holly Shaltz <holly@...> wrote: <snip> Soak the areas that itch in the hottest water you can stand (if you have trouble feeling heat, use a thermometer to make sure it's NOT hot enough to scald you). Heat makes the histamine be released, and it takes hours for it to recharge - hours in which you will be virtually itch-free...com .you'll be amazed at the drug-free relief.>>
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Re: I would appreciate your comments...
Posted by: "lawenforcementmom" FiveV55@aol.com lawenforcementmom
Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:24 pm (PST)
Glucosamine is glucose, as the name suggests. My doctor will not suggest that to any patient - diabetic or not. My doctor says that the only thing that glucosamine "possibly" helps with is bad knee joints. She says there are no good studies proving it works for anything else. Personally, I would discontinue that for starters.
If you want to go with tighter control of your diet, then I suggest you meet with a dietician, to review what you do eat, and how to improve it for better control. Then stick to the plan with exacting detail.
Try that for a month or two. If still no improvement, then I would vote for insulin.
Holly
Minnesota
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , Nan Cee <nan.cee124@com ...> wrote:
>
> I just had a call from the nurse at our VA Clinic telling me
> of my latest lab results. A1C went from 8.2 in July to
> 7.8 in September and 8.3 in December.
>
> She said the doctor is giving me three different options:
> a) tighter control of my diet, b) addition of a third
> medication (Actose) or, c) Insulin.
>
> I chose a) tighter control of my diet, but I honestly do not
> know what to do unless I cut out carbs altogether. It seems that if I take in any carbs, my sugar skyrockets to
> 200-300+ . Carbs seem to be hidden in everything. Each
> Omega 3 capsule contains 2 g and I take 4 of those daily.
> Also, I understand there are carbs in some of my other meds but I don't know how many.
>
> I am prone to have infections which cause my blood sugar
> to be elevated, but the doctor tends to increase the glucose meds rather than treat the infection.
>
> My A1C was only 6.1 when they first placed me on Metformin in 2003. At 6.8, in June 2005, they added Glyburide. Increased Glyburide at 7.1 in October 2005.
> At 7.7 in October 2008, they again increased Metformin although the A1C had dropped from 7.9 four months prior.
> Increased Glyburide again at 7.7 in April 2009.
>
> During all this time, several other meds were added
> such as Zocor, Zetia, Omega 3, Captopril was changed to Valsartan, Vitorin, Increased Levothyroxine, Changed Valsartan to Crestor, Added Ambien, Bactrim for Urinary
> tract infection.
>
> Right now, I am totally confused and becoming a bit
> scared. I'm on so many meds: Calcium with Vitamin D,
> Glucosamine & Chondroitin (at doc's suggestion), Albuterol, Ecotrin, Atenelol, Digoxin, Furosemide, Glipizide, Isosorbide, Levothyroxine, Naproxen, Omega 3, Potassium, Rosuvastatin, Valsartan.
>
> I'd appreciate any input / advice. Feel free to email me at my personal email address.
>
> Thank you all. I've been learning lots from this group.
>
> Nancy
>
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Re: I would appreciate your comments...
Posted by: "Holly Shaltz" holly@shaltzfarm.com hollyshaltz
Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:32 pm (PST)
Nancy writes:
<<I chose a) tighter control of my diet, but I
honestly do not
know what to do unless I cut out carbs altogether.>>
Do you mind sharing what kinds of carbs you're
still eating? I, like you, react very strongly to
carbs, so now low-starch veggies and nuts are
pretty much the only carbs I eat other than in
cheese and some processed meats. I slowly cut
down on my carbs, coming from the ADA diet,
grumping every step of the way, but eventually
reached a point where I'm pretty comfortable with
it (most of the time :)
<<I am prone to have infections which cause my
blood sugar
to be elevated, but the doctor tends to increase
the glucose meds rather than treat the infection. >>
FIRE that doctor! It doesn't matter WHAT is
causing an infection - it needs treatment,
especially in a diabetic, for crying out loud!
It's true high BGs make us more prone to
infection, but we still need antibiotics if we get
that infection!
<<Right now, I am totally confused and becoming a bit
scared. I'm on so many meds>>
I'm not surprised - seems like whoever is
recommending all those drugs and supplements needs
to step back and take a look at reality! Sheesh,
I thought doctors were by-and-large more
knowledgeable about that sort of thing these days.
If you can't talk to or trust your doctor to
give you good advice, have you considered talking
to your pharmacist? Mine is very willing to
provide additional information to me - one of the
reasons why I patronize a small, independent
pharmacy, even though I often pay more for the meds.
I have heard that glucosamine can raise BGs all by
itself. I took it for a couple years, about 5
years before my diagnosis. I have to say, though
many swear by it, it did nothing for me. Weight
loss, OTOH, basically cured my knee problems :)
I suggest it's time you put your foot down, and
tell your doctor 1) treat your infections
irregardless of their cause and 2) get off all the
supplements, at least for a time! See if you
don't feel better and have your BGs start to trend
downwards. If not, then you might want to think
of insulin. The ADA guideline is can't get the
A1C under 7 with diet, exercise, and oral meds.
If your A1C doesn't improve after stopping the
supplements, then it's for sure time for insulin.
No, I'm not a doctor :) Nor have I a lot of
experience as a diabetic - just 16 months so far.
But I *do* have common sense! And that
horrendous list of drugs and supplements doesn't
pass my common sense test.
If you want to talk about cutting back on carbs,
I'm your woman :)
Holly in MI
wishing I had $1 for every time I thought I
couldn't cut back on carbs a bit more to control
my BGs - I might not be rich, but I'd be able to
buy myself a nice selection of books! <g>
- 4c.
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treating skin infection in the diabetic
Posted by: "Jude" peridotjude@yahoo.com peridotjude
Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:24 pm (PST)
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , Holly Shaltz <holly@...> wrote: <snip> It doesn't matter WHAT is causing an infection - it needs treatment, especially in a diabetic, for crying out loud! It's true high BGs make us more prone to infection, but we still need antibiotics if we get that infection!>com
Amen to that. The only thing I would add is that it'd be a real good idea to also have a lab culture done for any skin infections. A couple of years ago, one night while I was sleeping, I accidentally gouged a hole in the back of one of my calves with a toe nail on the other foot. It *hurt* and ran with clear fluid that soaked the back of my jeans, just nasty. Went to the doc, got an Rx for amoxicillin and first aid instructions about cleaning the wound and applying an antibiotic cream, etc. But the PA also took a swab of the wound fluids and sent it off to the lab. A couple of days later, I got a phone call that I was to immediately cease and desist with the amoxicillin and go back to the pharmacy to pick up a new prescription for a sulfa drug-- the wound was MRSA, not a run-of-the-mill bacterial infection. If she hadn't taken that culture, I might have gotten better, but I might not have, too.
Judy D.
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Re: I would appreciate your comments...
Posted by: "AnaLog Services, Inc." analog@logwell.com sydlevine
Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:52 pm (PST)
We do not know what her diagnosis is (other than diabetes) or much of anything else. The combination of several of the drugs suggests profound heart problems, possibly conjestive heart failure. Don't be discouraging her from taking meds she may need to keep on ticking. Regulars in here know I am no fan of the statins, but she is on an Ace Inhibitor, a Sartan, a Beta Blocker, Digitalis, Isordil (a slow release nitrate), and I already forget what else (Spironolactone maybe?). This is not an accidental combination resulting from doctors being careless. It is the height of irresponsibility to discourage non-compliance when you know squat about her situation.
----- Original Message -----
From: Holly Shaltz
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Type-2-Diabetes] I would appreciate your comments...
Nancy writes:
<<I chose a) tighter control of my diet, but I
honestly do not
know what to do unless I cut out carbs altogether.>>
Do you mind sharing what kinds of carbs you're
still eating? I, like you, react very strongly to
carbs, so now low-starch veggies and nuts are
pretty much the only carbs I eat other than in
cheese and some processed meats. I slowly cut
down on my carbs, coming from the ADA diet,
grumping every step of the way, but eventually
reached a point where I'm pretty comfortable with
it (most of the time :)
<<I am prone to have infections which cause my
blood sugar
to be elevated, but the doctor tends to increase
the glucose meds rather than treat the infection. >>
FIRE that doctor! It doesn't matter WHAT is
causing an infection - it needs treatment,
especially in a diabetic, for crying out loud!
It's true high BGs make us more prone to
infection, but we still need antibiotics if we get
that infection!
<<Right now, I am totally confused and becoming a bit
scared. I'm on so many meds>>
I'm not surprised - seems like whoever is
recommending all those drugs and supplements needs
to step back and take a look at reality! Sheesh,
I thought doctors were by-and-large more
knowledgeable about that sort of thing these days.
If you can't talk to or trust your doctor to
give you good advice, have you considered talking
to your pharmacist? Mine is very willing to
provide additional information to me - one of the
reasons why I patronize a small, independent
pharmacy, even though I often pay more for the meds.
I have heard that glucosamine can raise BGs all by
itself. I took it for a couple years, about 5
years before my diagnosis. I have to say, though
many swear by it, it did nothing for me. Weight
loss, OTOH, basically cured my knee problems :)
I suggest it's time you put your foot down, and
tell your doctor 1) treat your infections
irregardless of their cause and 2) get off all the
supplements, at least for a time! See if you
don't feel better and have your BGs start to trend
downwards. If not, then you might want to think
of insulin. The ADA guideline is can't get the
A1C under 7 with diet, exercise, and oral meds.
If your A1C doesn't improve after stopping the
supplements, then it's for sure time for insulin.
No, I'm not a doctor :) Nor have I a lot of
experience as a diabetic - just 16 months so far.
But I *do* have common sense! And that
horrendous list of drugs and supplements doesn't
pass my common sense test.
If you want to talk about cutting back on carbs,
I'm your woman :)
Holly in MI
wishing I had $1 for every time I thought I
couldn't cut back on carbs a bit more to control
my BGs - I might not be rich, but I'd be able to
buy myself a nice selection of books! <g>
- 4e.
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Re: I would appreciate your comments...
Posted by: "AnaLog Services, Inc." analog@logwell.com sydlevine
Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:53 pm (PST)
Glucosamine should not affect BG.in any meaningful way. It may not help anything, but is not likely to hurt (some earlier research raised a warning flag, but that has since been refuted). Gucosamine is most assuredly not glucose. See what I mean about not getting the science quite right?
----- Original Message -----
From: lawenforcementmom
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:22 PM
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] Re: I would appreciate your comments...
Glucosamine is glucose, as the name suggests. My doctor will not suggest that to any patient - diabetic or not. My doctor says that the only thing that glucosamine "possibly" helps with is bad knee joints. She says there are no good studies proving it works for anything else. Personally, I would discontinue that for starters.
If you want to go with tighter control of your diet, then I suggest you meet with a dietician, to review what you do eat, and how to improve it for better control. Then stick to the plan with exacting detail.
Try that for a month or two. If still no improvement, then I would vote for insulin.
Holly
Minnesota
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , Nan Cee <nan.cee124@com ...> wrote:
>
> I just had a call from the nurse at our VA Clinic telling me
> of my latest lab results. A1C went from 8.2 in July to
> 7.8 in September and 8.3 in December.
>
> She said the doctor is giving me three different options:
> a) tighter control of my diet, b) addition of a third
> medication (Actose) or, c) Insulin.
>
> I chose a) tighter control of my diet, but I honestly do not
> know what to do unless I cut out carbs altogether. It seems that if I take in any carbs, my sugar skyrockets to
> 200-300+ . Carbs seem to be hidden in everything. Each
> Omega 3 capsule contains 2 g and I take 4 of those daily.
> Also, I understand there are carbs in some of my other meds but I don't know how many.
>
> I am prone to have infections which cause my blood sugar
> to be elevated, but the doctor tends to increase the glucose meds rather than treat the infection.
>
> My A1C was only 6.1 when they first placed me on Metformin in 2003. At 6.8, in June 2005, they added Glyburide. Increased Glyburide at 7.1 in October 2005.
> At 7.7 in October 2008, they again increased Metformin although the A1C had dropped from 7.9 four months prior.
> Increased Glyburide again at 7.7 in April 2009.
>
> During all this time, several other meds were added
> such as Zocor, Zetia, Omega 3, Captopril was changed to Valsartan, Vitorin, Increased Levothyroxine, Changed Valsartan to Crestor, Added Ambien, Bactrim for Urinary
> tract infection.
>
> Right now, I am totally confused and becoming a bit
> scared. I'm on so many meds: Calcium with Vitamin D,
> Glucosamine & Chondroitin (at doc's suggestion), Albuterol, Ecotrin, Atenelol, Digoxin, Furosemide, Glipizide, Isosorbide, Levothyroxine, Naproxen, Omega 3, Potassium, Rosuvastatin, Valsartan.
>
> I'd appreciate any input / advice. Feel free to email me at my personal email address.
>
> Thank you all. I've been learning lots from this group.
>
> Nancy
>
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Re: I would appreciate your comments...
Posted by: "Holly Shaltz" holly@shaltzfarm.com hollyshaltz
Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:36 pm (PST)
Syd writes:
<< It is the height of irresponsibility to
discourage non-compliance when you know squat
about her situation. >>
Have the kindness to quote me accurately.
I did NOT encourage non-compliance (which is what
I presume you actually meant to write). I told
her to fire the doctor because he won't treat her
infections sensibly. Infections, in a diabetic,
can easily be life-threatening, and can't be
treated by increasing diabetic meds. IMO, a
doctor who does that is irresponsible.
I also wrote: <<tell your doctor 1) treat your
infections irregardless of their cause and 2) get
off all the supplements, at least for a time! >>
Supplements are not prescription medications. And
I wrote that she needs to tell her doctor to
assess her meds, not that she should unilaterally
decide to stop taking any prescription medications
or supplements. With every post I've made
regarding adjusting medications - about my own as
well as any time I've responded to a post where
someone else is talking about adjusting medication
- I've stressed the need to talk to the doctor
about doing it. I also recommended she consider
talking to her pharmacist, who often knows more
than the doctors about the impact of a drug or
combination of drugs.
Holly in MI
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Some Bariatric Surgery Types Better than Others...
Posted by: "brian cooper" brianevans_99@yahoo.com brianevans_99
Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:52 pm (PST)
Concerning the mention of someone having gastric bypass surgery, losing a lot quickly, then regaining it with lots of other negative outcomes...
If someone were to have bariatric surgery today, s/he should likely choose lap-banding rather than gastric bypass or the third type (can't remember). The bypass procedure upsets the balance of vitamins and other beneficial substances that need to go through your stomach, and--if it's reversible, which it may not be--that would be a big and expensive hassle.
Lap-band surgery, however--which doubtless has its own set of problems, too--can be easily adjusted or even undone. And it is designed to let you know when you're full so you tend not to overeat. If you cram down too much, you'll feel nauseated, and learn better habits.
That comparison is a very sketchy one, and I'd welcome hearing from anyone who's had one or the other, and gotten to "the other side of the pond."
Thanks,
Brian Cooper
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Re: Some Bariatric Surgery Types Better than Others...
Posted by: "AnaLog Services, Inc." analog@logwell.com sydlevine
Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:56 pm (PST)
Any bariatric surgery is a drastic solution. Let us hope one or more of the new weight loss drugs puts the bariatric surgeons out of business,
----- Original Message -----
From: brian cooper
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:46 PM
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] Some Bariatric Surgery Types Better than Others...
Concerning the mention of someone having gastric bypass surgery, losing a lot quickly, then regaining it with lots of other negative outcomes...
If someone were to have bariatric surgery today, s/he should likely choose lap-banding rather than gastric bypass or the third type (can't remember). The bypass procedure upsets the balance of vitamins and other beneficial substances that need to go through your stomach, and--if it's reversible, which it may not be--that would be a big and expensive hassle.
Lap-band surgery, however--which doubtless has its own set of problems, too--can be easily adjusted or even undone. And it is designed to let you know when you're full so you tend not to overeat. If you cram down too much, you'll feel nauseated, and learn better habits.
That comparison is a very sketchy one, and I'd welcome hearing from anyone who's had one or the other, and gotten to "the other side of the pond."
Thanks,
Brian Cooper
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> From: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. <Type-2-Diabetes@com yahoogroups. >com
> Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] Digest Number 3836
> To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
>
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allergic break-out/diabetes
Posted by: "GJ" gj.lentz76@gmail.com gj.lentz
Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:09 pm (PST)
in response to jude, the allergic reactions i was having was prior to diabetes diagnosis and medication, so the meds arent my problem. the prednisone shot my bg up as i was apparently already high, and of course had the excessive thirst prior, SO then discovered diabetes.
as for why the allergist thinks auto-immune, basicly because he doesnt know what else to think!?!?!? lol, since I have never had any problems with food types, soaps, perfumes, pets, asthma, pollen, etc...I was SO hoping there was some diabetic correlation, because I cannot seem to find any other solution and I hate to have to take anything. ho-hum.
I am on metformin, 2am/2pm, and up to 27 unit Lantis insulin shots, adding a unit each night until my bg is hitting 120 for fasting every morning. after getting off prednisone was help, and i am still learning how to eat of course. I am also on lisinopril and simvastatin for high bp and cholestrol.
i do have a little extra weight, but im not a big guy.
now someone here replied about the zyrtec...i dont agree/disagree, i just know that before going on it i had swelling and hives everyday, sometimes lips swollen, fingertips swelling, went to er twice because tongue swoll. being on it no problems, and as i said when i stopped it for a day or two it all started back up. I changed to alergen/dye free chems to just check off the list, stopped eattin dairy, double checked other foods, but pretty much eat the same stuff all the time, so again, its a mystery. when im done with what zyrtec i have lft and if starts up again the allergist wants to check my blood for a few things, so im just waitting on that. so like i said before, it was just weird that the two problems kinda came up together, of course the diabetes has been there, undiagnosed and just got worse. so in a way im thankful to have had it found out before i wound up seriously ill from undiagnosd diabetes.
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