Messages In This Digest (9 Messages)
- 1.1.
- Re: Update From: Valma B
- 1.2.
- Re: Update From: BK
- 1.3.
- Raising head of bed From: Clare
- 1.4.
- Re: Update From: bottomguyly
- 1.5.
- Re: Update From: fancyqtr
- 1.6.
- cinnamon? From: BK
- 1.7.
- Re: cinnamon? From: fancyqtr
- 2.1.
- Re: Metformin From: Anne R
- 3.1.
- Re: Cinnamon From: bottomguyly
Messages
- 1.1.
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Re: Update
Posted by: "Valma B" Valmr2@yahoo.com valmr2
Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:55 pm (PST)
Didn't you mean sleep with the HEAD of your bed elevated? That was what I have always been told and it does work.
Val
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Re: Update
Posted by: "BK" kinney49@yahoo.com kinney49
Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:28 pm (PST)
--- In diabetes@yahoogroups.com , "Valma B" <Valmr2@...> wrote:
Didn't you mean sleep with the HEAD of your bed elevated? That was what I have always been told and it does work. Val>
Yes, thank for the catch. Elevate the head of the bed if you have a problem with GERD.
~BK~
- 1.3.
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Raising head of bed
Posted by: "Clare" BurghRoots@comcast.net byrdroots
Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:32 pm (PST)
Then don't you slide down into a bundle at the bottom of the bed?? <g,d,r>
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Re: Update
Posted by: "bottomguyly" bottomguyly@yahoo.com bottomguyly
Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:33 pm (PST)
That's the same lame excuse supplement makers always make when they are unwilling or unable to prove that their supplement actually works for what they advertise it for - with disclaimer of course. There's always some terrible conspiracy to keep their miracle product from being widely proclaimed as a cure for whatever ails you. Even though they're a multibillion industry, somehow they can't afford to do the proper research, so you should just believe their testimonials. Don't you know when you're being flim-flammed?
I've never seen a "Big Pharma" study showing cinnamon doesn't work.
Sam
--- In diabetes@yahoogroups.com , "fancyqtr" <smartandfancyartistry@...> wrote:
>
> They won't be shouting it from every rooftop in the world if Big Pharma continually pays someone to research it and say it isn't any good. They may work for some and not others.
>
> I read an article a few months ago where some big pharmaceutical company paid for a study on something that has been used for years (I think it was for pain, but can't remember now) and it was now saying it was just like a sugar pill. Well, they can't exactly say that it was that way for animals who don't have the reasoning for whether they are taking the real thing or a sugar pill and it worked for them all these years. I can't remember which pharmaceutical company had paid for the study, but it was even named in the article.
>
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Re: Update
Posted by: "fancyqtr" smartandfancyartistry@msn.com fancyqtr
Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:30 pm (PST)
I NEVER said that the article I read was on cinnamon. I said I could not remember what the product was, but it was one that has been used for many years. The article was in a Health News portion of the news and actually gave the name of the pharmaceutical company that paid for the survey. I HAVE NOT MADE ANY CLAIMS THAT THEY SAID A MIRACLE CURE DID NOT WORK. I ONLY SAID THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE SHOUTING IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS IF THE BIG PHARMACEUTICALS CONTINUALLY PUT OUT REPORTS THAT THINGS DIDN'T WORK. WHAT THE REPORT I READ A FEW MONTHS ON WAS SOMETHING THAT DOCTORS HAD TOLD PEOPLE TO USE FOR YEARS AND WAS FROM A DIFFERENT COMPANY THAN THE ONE WHO FUNDED THE STUDY.
I AM SICK AND TIRED OF EVERYTHING I SAY BEING TURNED INTO "YOU ARE A LIAR AND MAKING EVERYTHING UP". I GUESS THAT MAKES YOU BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE AND THE PERSON WHO KNOWS EVERYTHING.
--- In diabetes@yahoogroups.com , "bottomguyly" <bottomguyly@...> wrote:
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> That's the same lame excuse supplement makers always make when they are unwilling or unable to prove that their supplement actually works for what they advertise it for - with disclaimer of course. There's always some terrible conspiracy to keep their miracle product from being widely proclaimed as a cure for whatever ails you. Even though they're a multibillion industry, somehow they can't afford to do the proper research, so you should just believe their testimonials. Don't you know when you're being flim-flammed?
>
> I've never seen a "Big Pharma" study showing cinnamon doesn't work.
>
> Sam
>
- 1.6.
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cinnamon?
Posted by: "BK" kinney49@yahoo.com kinney49
Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:43 pm (PST)
--- In diabetes@yahoogroups.com , "bottomguyly" <bottomguyly@...> wrote: That's the same lame excuse supplement makers always make when they are unwilling or unable to prove that their supplement actually works for what they advertise it for - with disclaimer of course. There's always some terrible conspiracy to keep their miracle product from being widely proclaimed as a cure for whatever ails you. Even though they're a multibillion industry, somehow they can't afford to do the proper research, so you should just believe their testimonials. Don't you know when you're being flim-flammed? I've never seen a "Big Pharma" study showing cinnamon doesn't work. Sam>
Hey, look who's back! How was your holiday, Sam? Good, I hope.
I'm no fan of these supplements which as I said, maybe possibly do no harm, but I personally have huge doubts they do any good either. Cinnamon. *shakes head* What, pray, would be in cinnamon that would help glucose control?
Now cinnamon *buns*, that's a different matter... mmmm *dreams of frosted cinnamon buns* But I don't think they'd help my diabetes either, alas. <G>
~BK~
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Re: cinnamon?
Posted by: "fancyqtr" smartandfancyartistry@msn.com fancyqtr
Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:33 am (PST)
If someone wants to try something like cinnamon (or chromium pincolinate which is what a friend of mine was prescribed by the doctor) that they have heard works for some people, why do people always have to come up and say that it is stupid or a waste of time or money? I have seen several people say that it has helped them and several others that say it doesn't help them. It just might be something that will help this person.
As for there being nothing you can see in cinnamon that would help someone, can you tell (or see) what it is in turmeric that is anti-inflammatory? Can you see what it is in ginger or peppermint that helps when someone has an upset stomach? Can you see what it is in the drugs that you are taking that is what is doing what it is supposed to? Whatever it is has to come from somewhere and someone had to try it before they could even come up with the idea that it might work to do whatever it is supposed to do.
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Re: Metformin
Posted by: "Anne R" aemr911@gmail.com aemr911
Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:33 pm (PST)
I have taken Cinnamon since they told me that I was pre-diabetic, for at
least the last year or so. But still developed diabetes.
The endocrinologist looked at my meds list on Monday when I saw him for the
1st time and didn't say I shouldn't be taking the cinnamon so I guess I'll
keep taking it. But I am also on diabetes meds (Metformin 1g twice daily; &
Ameryl 2mg twice daily) too, plus 12 more days of these LOVELY steroids
which means I am also still on 30u NPH q morning too. Although I think
tomorrow I will call the doc on call (which is my MD,) and have him up the
dose of NPH because I think my body is in need since I haven't been below
170 today. And I haven't actually eaten THAT badly today, not the best but
not horribly.
I am off to bed now, hope everyone had a good holiday and is staying
healthy!!
Anne
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:55 PM, BK <kinney49@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>
> --- In diabetes@yahoogroups.com <diabetes%40yahoogroups.com> , "sandra
> flint" <spaflint@...> wrote:
> It has done the same thing to me I am going to try taking cinnamon and see
> if that works my sugar are between 130 and 140>>
>
> Useless. See your doc, get some real treatment! Cinnamon? Please.
>
> <<this weight has to come off I have a friend that loss weight like crazy
> about 40 pounds but her sugar are out of control in the 300's with insulin>
>
> She also desperately needs to see her doctor. Obviously whatever she's
> doing with insulin is not cutting it. She lost weight because her body
> didn't have enough insulin on board to metabolize the food she ate, and she
> just peed out all those unused calories. She's probably very sick. Please
> urge her to see her doc!!
>
> And you go, too, okay? Let us know how you're doing.
>
> ~BK~
>
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Re: Cinnamon
Posted by: "bottomguyly" bottomguyly@yahoo.com bottomguyly
Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:33 pm (PST)
The first article, which is a real study from Thailand, says those on cassia cinnamon showed no more improvement than a placebo group. It didn't work any better than placebo.
The second article doesn't quote actual studies, just makes statements.
Sam
--- In diabetes@yahoogroups.com , Clare <BurghRoots@...> wrote:
>
> Just any old cinnamon won't help with blood glucose. You need to take
> cassia cinnamon, which is from China.
>
> Here are two good articles:
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ pubmed/17718288? ordinalpos= 1&itool=EntrezSy stem2.PEntrez. Pubmed.Pubmed_ ResultsPanel. Pubmed_SingleIte mSupl.Pubmed_ Discovery_ RA&linkpos= 1&log$=relatedar ticles&logdbfrom =pubmed
>
> http://www.ehow.com/about_ 5672491_types- cinnamon- capsules- diabetic- treatment. html
>
> Ethel
>
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