Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: Mental Difficulties From: Diane Moro
- 1b.
- Re: Mental Difficulties From: AnaLog Services, Inc.
- 1c.
- Re: Mental Difficulties From: Dorothy Wurth
- 1d.
- Re: Mental Difficulties From: larrydou38
- 1e.
- Re: Mental Difficulties From: ron42nm
- 1f.
- Re: Mental Difficulties From: AnaLog Services, Inc.
- 1g.
- Re: Mental Difficulties From: Jude
- 2.1.
- Re: BFO: carbs, calories, and weight loss :) From: AnaLog Services, Inc.
- 2.2.
- Re: BFO: carbs, calories, and weight loss :) From: ron42nm
- 2.3.
- OT religion "wears off" From: Jude
- 2.4.
- Re: OT religion "wears off" From: Holly Shaltz
- 2.5.
- Re: OT religion "wears off" From: AnaLog Services, Inc.
- 2.6.
- Re: BFO: carbs, calories, and weight loss :) From: AnaLog Services, Inc.
- 3.1.
- Re: BFO: carbs, calories, and weight loss :) From: AnaLog Services, Inc.
- 4.1.
- Re: on the positive choice to see a counselor From: AnaLog Services, Inc.
- 5.1.
- Re: weight loss, but for how long? From: ron42nm
- 5.2.
- Re: weight loss, but for how long? From: AnaLog Services, Inc.
- 5.3.
- Re: weight loss, but for how long? From: Holly Shaltz
- 5.4.
- Re: weight loss, but for how long? From: AnaLog Services, Inc.
- 5.5.
- Re: weight loss, but for how long? From: ron42nm
- 6a.
- Re: HI Im new..... From: DavidF
- 6b.
- Re: HI Im new..... From: Jude
- 7.
- gastroparesis and glucose tablets From: Holly Shaltz
- 8a.
- Endo(??) refilled my Metformin at 1500 mg more than MAX dosage From: brian cooper
- 8b.
- Re: Endo(??) refilled my Metformin at 1500 mg more than MAX dosage From: AnaLog Services, Inc.
Messages
- 1a.
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Re: Mental Difficulties
Posted by: "Diane Moro" deemoro@gmail.com signoradiana
Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:24 am (PST)
I don't think this is diabetes related. In my case, it began to happen to me
a few years ago, around the time I was in my late forties, pre-menopausal. I
have had talks with my gyn about this issue, exactly like what you are
describing, and he said it could very well be about menopause and the
hormonal fluctuations we go thru when we are nearing it.
It is frustrating, for sure. I wouldn't make too much of it though, as
stressing only seems to make it worse.
Just go with the flow, and if you can't find a word, take a deep breath and
think of another way to say something.
I belong to a menopause list and just about every woman on that list can
relate to this issue, sooner or later!
I highly recommend you join one, cos you are in for a lot of changes! Some
of which you won't believe!
Menopause is quite a ride!
~diane
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Tricia <psimmons1219@gmail.com > wrote:
> I have been struggling with a very embarrassing issue.
>
> I seem to be struggling with words. I have never stuttered or had problems
> putting sentences together before I was diabetic.
>
> I am so frustrated. There are several different problems I am having but I
> think they are all really the same thing.
>
> I can not find the word sometimes. I can list everything about the word
> but can not come up with the word I need. For example. The other day I
> was trying to say the word quilt. I could come up with sewing, fabric, my
> back room, you know that thing I spend lots of time doing....
>
>
- 1b.
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Re: Mental Difficulties
Posted by: "AnaLog Services, Inc." analog@logwell.com sydlevine
Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:28 am (PST)
It sounds like just the effects of age. There are mental exercises that may help you if this really worries you.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tricia
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 1:59 AM
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] Mental Difficulties
I have been struggling with a very embarrassing issue.
I seem to be struggling with words. I have never stuttered or had problems putting sentences together before I was diabetic.
I am so frustrated. There are several different problems I am having but I think they are all really the same thing.
I can not find the word sometimes. I can list everything about the word but can not come up with the word I need. For example. The other day I was trying to say the word quilt. I could come up with sewing, fabric, my back room, you know that thing I spend lots of time doing....
I will think I say one word but that is not the word that came out of my mouth. This one could really get me in trouble. I have been having trouble with my husbands name. My Ex died last week and he was on my mind while he was so sick the last few weeks. This has never ever happened to me before. I seem to be getting worse.
I either stutter or pause for 45 seconds to a minute coming up with the thought I am trying to get across.
I had a CT of the brain and the doctor said I did NOT have a stroke. I was wondering if this is from the diabetes.
My glucose is not high. I have had lows but my ranges are fine right now. I have been between 80 and 120 the last 6 days and I have had lots of trouble.
I do have other medical problems which seems to be really common in diabetes. Is there any information on diabetes and other medical problems and there associations.
Thanks for your help. I am really scared. I turned 41 a few days ago and I am worried about what will happen as I get older.
Tricia
- 1c.
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Re: Mental Difficulties
Posted by: "Dorothy Wurth" dottie.wurth@yahoo.com dottie.wurth
Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:28 am (PST)
Hi Tricia,
You wrote that you are having problems expressing yourself. I have struggled with the same kinds of problems and understand what you are saying. I think it is related to stress
because since I have retired, I no longer have those problems. Or maybe I just don't notice them any longer. When I was working, I got to the point that I was reluctant to speak in a group because I could never be sure what would come out of my mouth. I also worried that it was related to diabetes. During the years that I was having problems, my diabetes control varied greatly from being in very good control with A1Cs in the 5's to being out of control in the 7's. I had no extreme numbers during those years. My doctor didn't understand my concerns and didn't give the problem credence. I dealt with the problem while I was working by being upfront with people and explaining that sometimes the right word just slips out of my mind when I need it the most. I am sure that it led to me being more withdrawn than normal. I'm sorry I can't be more helpful but wanted you to know that I understand. I hope you find a way to manage this problem
for yourself.
Dottie
--- On Fri, 12/25/09, Tricia <psimmons1219@gmail.com > wrote:
- 1d.
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Re: Mental Difficulties
Posted by: "larrydou38" larrydou38@yahoo.com larrydou38
Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:07 am (PST)
Tricia:
Have you recently started a new medication? There are a number of good web sites Google Diabetes also keep in mind US Government web starter page and NIH web sites. Very few things happen with our bodies without a reason, your body or mind is reacting to something.
Good Luck with research
larrydou38
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , "Tricia" <psimmons1219@com ...> wrote:
>
> I have been struggling with a very embarrassing issue.
>
> I seem to be struggling with words. I have never stuttered or had problems putting sentences together before I was diabetic.
>
> I am so frustrated. There are several different problems I am having but I think they are all really the same thing.
>
> I can not find the word sometimes. I can list everything about the word but can not come up with the word I need. For example. The other day I was trying to say the word quilt. I could come up with sewing, fabric, my back room, you know that thing I spend lots of time doing....
>
> I will think I say one word but that is not the word that came out of my mouth. This one could really get me in trouble. I have been having trouble with my husbands name. My Ex died last week and he was on my mind while he was so sick the last few weeks. This has never ever happened to me before. I seem to be getting worse.
>
> I either stutter or pause for 45 seconds to a minute coming up with the thought I am trying to get across.
>
> I had a CT of the brain and the doctor said I did NOT have a stroke. I was wondering if this is from the diabetes.
>
> My glucose is not high. I have had lows but my ranges are fine right now. I have been between 80 and 120 the last 6 days and I have had lots of trouble.
>
> I do have other medical problems which seems to be really common in diabetes. Is there any information on diabetes and other medical problems and there associations.
>
> Thanks for your help. I am really scared. I turned 41 a few days ago and I am worried about what will happen as I get older.
>
> Tricia
>
- 1e.
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Re: Mental Difficulties
Posted by: "ron42nm" ron42nm@gmail.com ron42nm
Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:09 am (PST)
There are a slew of possible causes for this, most of them not related to diabetes. You don't mention your age, your medications, how long you've been diabetic and what other problems you have. All of these could be factors along with stress and an assortment of other things.
The fact that your blood sugars are normal rules out diabetes as the direct cause. However, long term diabetics do have a higher incidence of cerebrovascular disease producing decrease in intellectual function.
You need for your doctor to sort things out.
Ron
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , "Tricia" <psimmons1219@com ...> wrote:
>
> I have been struggling with a very embarrassing issue.
>
> I seem to be struggling with words. I have never stuttered or had problems putting sentences together before I was diabetic.
>
> I am so frustrated. There are several different problems I am having but I think they are all really the same thing.
>
> I can not find the word sometimes. I can list everything about the word but can not come up with the word I need. For example. The other day I was trying to say the word quilt. I could come up with sewing, fabric, my back room, you know that thing I spend lots of time doing....
>
> I will think I say one word but that is not the word that came out of my mouth. This one could really get me in trouble. I have been having trouble with my husbands name. My Ex died last week and he was on my mind while he was so sick the last few weeks. This has never ever happened to me before. I seem to be getting worse.
>
> I either stutter or pause for 45 seconds to a minute coming up with the thought I am trying to get across.
>
> I had a CT of the brain and the doctor said I did NOT have a stroke. I was wondering if this is from the diabetes.
>
> My glucose is not high. I have had lows but my ranges are fine right now. I have been between 80 and 120 the last 6 days and I have had lots of trouble.
>
> I do have other medical problems which seems to be really common in diabetes. Is there any information on diabetes and other medical problems and there associations.
>
> Thanks for your help. I am really scared. I turned 41 a few days ago and I am worried about what will happen as I get older.
>
> Tricia
>
- 1f.
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Re: Mental Difficulties
Posted by: "AnaLog Services, Inc." analog@logwell.com sydlevine
Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:23 am (PST)
You weren't by chance also on statins (for high cholesterol), were you? And that sleeplessness combined with bad dreams sounds like heart failure related problems.
Beta Blockers are a life saving drug for folks with heart problems. Beta Blockers are so benign usually, that scads of surgeons take em to calm the shakes, and many lawyers take em before arguing cases before judge or jury (it is jokingly said if Nixon had been on Beta Blockers he would not have had that sweaty upper lip in the debate with Kennedy). There is actually a black market in Beta Blockers because rock stars believe they prevent performance anxiety (stage fright).
----- Original Message -----
From: W.G. (Butch) Sharpe
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Type-2-Diabetes] Mental Difficulties
Hello Tricia,
If I may ask, are you on "beta blockers" for heart problems. I was put on them last winter trying to reduce a rapid heartbeat. I don't think diabetes was a factor, For 3 months, I was confused, couldn't read or write and could hardly talk. The words just weren't there. I would pause in the middle of a sentence for a period of time and damn near forget what I was trying to say. I also had terrible itching. So bad that I would lay in bed all night, awake, trying not to scratch my legs. Every few nights, I would manage to sleep from sheer exhaustion and have weird and scary dreams, mostly about Vietnam, although some were placed in a desert, I would wake up the next morning and find that I had scratched my self bloody. That upset my wife because I was making the sheets bloody. I gave my car away so I wouldn't be tempted to drive the car I really loved to drive. Obviously a poor decision, as I had to get it back from my son. I was also too weak to walk without help or give myself a bath etc. When I realized that it must be the beta blocker I took everyday, I quit taking them. Within 2 days my mind cleared enough that I could read again (my favorite hobby). I had tried all kinds of creams, lotions and anti-histamine pills to get relief from the itching. The itching started to disappear a couple of days after I stopped the beta blockers. My doctor has marked my records that I am allergic to that particular medicine.My sister also had problems with beta blockers. She was very weak, didn't have the strength to walk 10 feet and couldn't breath very well. Any movement would leave her gasping for breath. Her doctor finally figured out that the beta blockers were causing her problems. The 2nd day after coming off the blockers, she was able to go back to work.
So, if your on beta blockers, beat a hasty path to your doctor about coming off them for a few days to see if that is causing the problems you are suddenly having. I seemed to recover rather quickly. I hope your problem is as easily solved as mine were.
- 1g.
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Re: Mental Difficulties
Posted by: "Jude" peridotjude@yahoo.com peridotjude
Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:09 pm (PST)
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , "AnaLog Services, Inc." <analog@...> wrote: You weren't by chance also on statins (for high cholesterol)com , were you? And that sleeplessness combined with bad dreams sounds like heart failure related problems>>
Sleeplessness combined with bad dreams are also (two of many) symptoms of uncontrolled obstructive sleep apnea.
Judy D.
- 2.1.
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Re: BFO: carbs, calories, and weight loss :)
Posted by: "AnaLog Services, Inc." analog@logwell.com sydlevine
Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:28 am (PST)
The notion that will has nothing to do with weight gain flies in the face of logic. What about fat folks with absolutely normal metabolisms? It is often said that the kids today are heavier because they do not go out and play like previous generations, but rather fiddle on the computer.
You have found religion, and like all such episodes, it will wear off. I know you will think I am talking down to you, but I truly hope you can sustain your fervor.
----- Original Message -----
From: Holly Shaltz
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Type-2-Diabetes] Re: BFO: carbs, calories, and weight loss :)
Syd writes:
<<Of course a failure of will is involved in
obesity. It would be absurd to argue otherwise,>>
That's the old "it's your fault you got diabetes -
you gained weight and were a couch potato" view
that's been thoroughly debunked by every reputable
source I've seen. It's a very moral judgment - at
least every person I've seen react to that phrase
sees it that way, regardless of your intent.
Quite a loaded phrase, in fact. It's also an
inaccurate assessment of every diabetic or obese
person I've dealt with in person or on lists and
forums and blogs. What we lack are the tools and
knowledge for using those tools, not will power!
Think of all the poor obese kids out there - would
you blame *them* for being fat, say *they* have a
"failure of will"? Of course not! They were
raised in some way to make them compulsive
overeaters, food addicts, comfort eaters, whatever
you want to call them. And many will go on to
become T2 diabetics. Just as many of us were thin
and active until IR started us gaining weight.
"Failure of will" IS, indeed, absurd as a cause
for diabetes or obesity. But genetics and
cultural factors are well-established as causes.
<<Problem is that many folks actually gain
weight once the get their BG under control, so a
simplistic view of this is obviously inadequate.>>
I strongly suspect your idea of "BG under control"
is NOT the same as mine.
My definition of BG under control is what my
personal goals are: BGs (and A1C and overall
fluctuation of BGs) in the non-diabetic range.
And, based on my reading, I agree with Dr
Bernstein: Non-diabetics have an A1C of 4.2 -
4.6, keeping their BGs around 83 with only minimal
excursions above 100.
No one else needs to adopt these standards if they
don't want to. I don't impose my goals on anyone
else. But I believe it takes close to that degree
of BG control to manage weight loss beyond the
immediate that most of us have as a result of
dropping to the ADA diet.
A *combination* of factors: *BG Control PLUS Carb
Control* that results in sustained weight loss,
and maintaining that weight loss. If someone has
BG control close to the non-diabetic range but is
still eating a lot of carbs, and if that person is
still making lots of insulin, then the insulin is
storing the glucose from those carbs as fat.
Insulin IS a fat-storage hormone. That's what it
does when it can't move glucose into cells for
energy due to IR.
Holly in MI
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Re: BFO: carbs, calories, and weight loss :)
Posted by: "ron42nm" ron42nm@gmail.com ron42nm
Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:06 am (PST)
The truth, as usual, is somewhere in between. Sometimes there are primarily serious physical causes for obesity; sometimes psychological reasons; sometimes inappropriate early childhood training; sometimes pure hedonism; sometimes lack of will power. Most often various combinations of the above. Painting all obese people with the same broad brush is just plain wrong. In treating obesity, individualization is key. We've had good success, although no program has excellent long term success, with various combinations of dietary retraining, behavioral therapy, treating medical conditions, medications including antidepressants, exercise programs, and psychological counselling. Invariably, you need to use several modalities. It's usually a long slow process of 2 steps forward and one step back.
Ron
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , "AnaLog Services, Inc." <analog@...> wrote:com
>
> The notion that will has nothing to do with weight gain flies in the face of logic. What about fat folks with absolutely normal metabolisms? It is often said that the kids today are heavier because they do not go out and play like previous generations, but rather fiddle on the computer.
>
- 2.3.
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OT religion "wears off"
Posted by: "Jude" peridotjude@yahoo.com peridotjude
Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:20 am (PST)
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , "AnaLog Services, Inc." <analog@...> wrote: You have found religion, and like all such episodes, it will wear off>>com
Careful, Syd. Religion (I prefer the word "faith") does not always wear off. My own has flourished for *does the figuring* nearly 30 years, and is as vibrant and fulfilling as it ever was, maybe more so.
It is true that Holly's thoughts and attitudes and hopes and dreams about her own path to wellness does carry along similar emotional characteristics of someone who once was lost and now is found, but it's not "religion" or "faith".
Judy D.
- 2.4.
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Re: OT religion "wears off"
Posted by: "Holly Shaltz" holly@shaltzfarm.com hollyshaltz
Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:49 am (PST)
Judy writes:
<<It is true that Holly's thoughts and attitudes
and hopes and dreams about her own path to
wellness does carry along similar emotional
characteristics of someone who once was lost and
now is found, but it's not "religion" or "faith".>>
Thanks, I think <g>
I was lost. I knew I wouldn't see another
birthday. I felt lousy, all day, all the time. I
was suicidal. I hated my fatness. I criticized
myself for being fat. I couldn't sleep for the
shooting pains in my feet. I couldn't walk
without gasping for breath. I was given to bursts
of rage - not often, but too often. I had angina
and palpitations, and probably two heart attacks.
Talk about an extreme way of living! It was
*horrible*!
Today, 90% of the time I feel great, and the rest
of the time I usually understand why I don't, and
can work to improve it. I have the tools I need
to maintain my BGs in a nearly non-diabetic range,
and the side effects have been weight loss and a
tremendous improvement in *every* aspect of my life.
A bag of popcorn or a piece of pie or a pile of
cookies or a slice of my homemade bread doesn't
begin to compare :)
Holly in MI
- 2.5.
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Re: OT religion "wears off"
Posted by: "AnaLog Services, Inc." analog@logwell.com sydlevine
Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:06 am (PST)
Sure it is, and I do not mean to say it is a bad thing (whatever you call it). It does tend to wear off, but not always.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jude
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] OT religion "wears off"
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , "AnaLog Services, Inc." <analog@...> wrote: You have found religion, and like all such episodes, it will wear off>>com
Careful, Syd. Religion (I prefer the word "faith") does not always wear off. My own has flourished for *does the figuring* nearly 30 years, and is as vibrant and fulfilling as it ever was, maybe more so.
It is true that Holly's thoughts and attitudes and hopes and dreams about her own path to wellness does carry along similar emotional characteristics of someone who once was lost and now is found, but it's not "religion" or "faith".
Judy D.
- 2.6.
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Re: BFO: carbs, calories, and weight loss :)
Posted by: "AnaLog Services, Inc." analog@logwell.com sydlevine
Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:09 am (PST)
My point exactly, but Dr. Ron is more diplomatic. I wish I could still afford unbridled hedonism, but alas, I must exercise some restraint these days...
----- Original Message -----
From: ron42nm
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 12:50 PM
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] Re: BFO: carbs, calories, and weight loss :)
The truth, as usual, is somewhere in between. Sometimes there are primarily serious physical causes for obesity; sometimes psychological reasons; sometimes inappropriate early childhood training; sometimes pure hedonism; sometimes lack of will power. Most often various combinations of the above. Painting all obese people with the same broad brush is just plain wrong. In treating obesity, individualization is key. We've had good success, although no program has excellent long term success, with various combinations of dietary retraining, behavioral therapy, treating medical conditions, medications including antidepressants, exercise programs, and psychological counselling. Invariably, you need to use several modalities. It's usually a long slow process of 2 steps forward and one step back.
Ron
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , "AnaLog Services, Inc." <analog@...> wrote:com
>
> The notion that will has nothing to do with weight gain flies in the face of logic. What about fat folks with absolutely normal metabolisms? It is often said that the kids today are heavier because they do not go out and play like previous generations, but rather fiddle on the computer.
>
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Re: BFO: carbs, calories, and weight loss :)
Posted by: "AnaLog Services, Inc." analog@logwell.com sydlevine
Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:06 am (PST)
However you try to spin it, it is an extreme lifestyle. You may do just
fine, but it would not be sustainable for most folks.
"Hmmm, increased quality of life - more energy,
MUCH less pain, weight loss, maintaining the
weight loss, much less expense buying clothes
(leaving more for books! :), not being afraid of
not living to see another birthday, lower BP,
lower cholesterol, shooting pains in the feet
disappearing, much more rapid healing, a sense of
well-being, the ability to do T'ai Chi (which I
had wanted to for over a decade but couldn't when
obese), the ability to go on long rambles with DD,
the knowledge I'll grow old with DH, not being the
fattest person in every room, being able to walk
into any store to buy clothes, fitting in the car
seat belt comfortably....."
Not eating pop corn did that all for you?
I am a scientist and I try to think critically about this disease we have.
As I pointed out before without using technical terms, what you have
essentially done is to accept the null hypothesis. The fact that there are
many fat folks with completely normal metabolisms is sufficient by itself to
debunk the notion that IR causes all or even most weight gain. It's as
simple as that. There is obviously a connection between diabetes and
obesity, but there are fat non-diabetics who live to a ripe old age, and
there are skinny folks ravaged by Type 2.
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Re: on the positive choice to see a counselor
Posted by: "AnaLog Services, Inc." analog@logwell.com sydlevine
Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:11 am (PST)
Is that a typo? I always thought it was gold pressed latinum.
----- Original Message -----
From: Holly Shaltz
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:25 AM
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] on the positive choice to see a counselor
Diane writes:
<< I feel so "stuck". Something
inside me is obviously hindering my progress, in
more ways than one.
Hopefully a wise therapist will help me piece it
together. At the very
least, it will help validate me, gives me a place
to vent and throw things
on the table that may not be seeing the light of
day otherwise. This is
always a good thing. >>
Diane, I hope you give yourself a BIG pat on the
back for such a healthy view of yourself, and the
healthy choice to see a counselor!
If you get a good one, it is indeed very
validating. I only got to go to one weekly for 4
months before moving again, but I learned so much
it was amazing! He validated my intelligence, my
insight, my willingness to learn and change and
grow; he explained some of the ways in which my
experiences with my mother were damaging - things
I had never figured out for myself, like she was
always changing the rules so I could never be
successful in pleasing her.
What a freeing experience it was, talking to him!
Did it cure all my issues? No, but it made me
see them from a different perspective. It made me
kinder to myself and more understanding of others.
It made me forgive myself for my own "failures
of will" <g> and forgive my mother and father as
well. It made me realize we all do the best we
can with the tools and resources we have at any
given time.
I highly recommend counseling. No, it doesn't
work for everyone - some people really don't want
to change, they just like the attention, and will
switch counselors if one seems to expect too much.
And some counselors just don't click with some
people, in which case a new counselor is a good
idea. But for those of us who are motivated to be
happier, more self-motivated, more in touch with
that solid core of well-being we each carry at our
centers, a good counselor is worth her/his weight
in cold-pressed latinum :)
You go girl! Make positive choices for yourself!
We recognize and celebrate your courage in those
choices!
Holly in MI
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Re: weight loss, but for how long?
Posted by: "ron42nm" ron42nm@gmail.com ron42nm
Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:23 am (PST)
Syd, you wrote, "But you're faith in psychologists, psychiatrists, and mental health therapists is misplaced. They are a waste of time, and studies clearly show that." You're going to have to produce those studies. Let's see them, and no cherry picking.
In fact, I have seen literally hundreds of common neurotics helped by therapy. A "paid friend" as you refer to them is nothing of the sort. He or she is a highly trained professional whose job is not to be a friend necessarily, but an analyst and counsellor.
Incidentally, the severely mentally ill benefit much less from therapy and much more from drugs.
I hope you are not a sociopath. They are among the most seriously and dangerously mentally ill, and who are highly resistant to treatment. I hope you meant "run of the mill neurotics."
Ron
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , "AnaLog Services, Inc." <analog@...> wrote:com
>
> First, let me correct you. You have remarkable insight on a wide range of topics.
>
> But you're faith in psychologists, psychiatrists, and mental health therapists is misplaced. They are a waste of time, and studies clearly show that. They got a tremendous boost from the apparent success of the 'talking cure" during WWII, but in the real world they cure nobody, just create an artificial need for their services. In the final analysis, mind therapy can be summarized with the old saw that a paid friend is better than no friend at all. But folks on this list have you and the many other kind souls here to help reinforce good behavior, and do not need that paid friend. I will qualify the above with the caveat that I am not talking about the severely mentally ill, but us run of the mill sociopaths do not need these quacks.
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Re: weight loss, but for how long?
Posted by: "AnaLog Services, Inc." analog@logwell.com sydlevine
Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:26 am (PST)
See, he is more afraid of your wrath than you knew! Hehehe.
----- Original Message -----
From: Diane Moro
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Type-2-Diabetes] weight loss, but for how long?
Thanks Bonnie, I know there are a lot of us "recovering" women out there! Left to his own devices, Ron will eat crap and with his medical conditions (not diabetes) he should be eating better. But today I sent him to the supermarket (unheard of in the past!) with a list. He did not balk.
And this was after he did his own laundry!
Hey, I could be on to something here.
Stay warm, Bonnie!
~diane
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Bonnie Petroski <dragonlady@moosebrookroad.net > wrote:
Diane,
I think you are the product of your upbringing. I am the same way. If
someone in the family is in need, it is my fault. You are a nurturer. If
anyone in my household is in distress, it is my job to "fix" it.
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Re: weight loss, but for how long?
Posted by: "Holly Shaltz" holly@shaltzfarm.com hollyshaltz
Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:38 am (PST)
Diane writes:
<<It's just that everyone has to find their own
way, if you know what I mean.>>
That's what I keep saying :) Very few have to eat
as low-carb as I do, to get their BGs into the
true non-diabetic range; and few choose that as
their goal anyway.
I do what I have to do to get the results I want.
That's all. I share it, so that those who have
tried the "official" methods and not had it work
for them might find something in what I've done
that just might help them.
If your popcorn doesn't spike your BGs, make you
feel rotten, and cause you to eat other high-carb
foods, then go for it! I never said you couldn't,
or shouldn't eat popcorn :) What I said was *I*
can't eat it with moderation - it would make my
BGs shoot up, would make me feel lousy, and would
make me crave other carbs. So, I don't eat it.
Once again, I don't set up what I do as the goal
for all to emulate. What a boring world it would
be! <g> I share what I do so that those for whom
the standard methods of BG control aren't working,
or who can't lose weight, have another perspective
to consider.
My "extreme" lifestyle <chortling> is because I
have little insulin production left and a body
ravaged by decades of uncontrolled BGs. I do what
I have to do in order to feel human again. For
*me*, the cost of popcorn far outweighs its
pleasures. Ditto other high-carb foods.
I'm extremely glad to have found this extreme
lifestyle! It makes me feel extremely better and
probably will help me live extremely longer :)
Holly in MI
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Re: weight loss, but for how long?
Posted by: "AnaLog Services, Inc." analog@logwell.com sydlevine
Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:06 am (PST)
No I meant sociopath, but jokingly, of course. Back in the hippie days, sociopath was a common diagnosis for those that "tuned in, turned on, and dropped out", and many found themselves in mental institutions for embracing the counter culture. My gf at the time (40 years ago) was whisked away to Sheppard-Pratt at the direction of her mother, and diagnosed with a host of mental maladies. I have little faith in the mental health profession having seen them at their worst. She is a Blue Grass recording star now, btw (so is obviously as sane as any bluegrass performer or fan which may not be saying much).
I already waste a tremendous amount of time on reflector mailing lists, so I will respectfully decline providing research material. Suffice it to say, there is plenty of material out there that is not kind to these professionals. It would be sort of a waste of time arguing this issue with a doctor, anyway. The empirical evidence is simple: repeated appointments for as long as your pocketbook can stand it (analysis forever).
Syd
----- Original Message -----
From: ron42nm
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 1:05 PM
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] Re: weight loss, but for how long?
Syd, you wrote, "But you're faith in psychologists, psychiatrists, and mental health therapists is misplaced. They are a waste of time, and studies clearly show that." You're going to have to produce those studies. Let's see them, and no cherry picking.
In fact, I have seen literally hundreds of common neurotics helped by therapy. A "paid friend" as you refer to them is nothing of the sort. He or she is a highly trained professional whose job is not to be a friend necessarily, but an analyst and counsellor.
Incidentally, the severely mentally ill benefit much less from therapy and much more from drugs.
I hope you are not a sociopath. They are among the most seriously and dangerously mentally ill, and who are highly resistant to treatment. I hope you meant "run of the mill neurotics."
Ron
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , "AnaLog Services, Inc." <analog@...> wrote:com
>
> First, let me correct you. You have remarkable insight on a wide range of topics.
>
> But you're faith in psychologists, psychiatrists, and mental health therapists is misplaced. They are a waste of time, and studies clearly show that. They got a tremendous boost from the apparent success of the 'talking cure" during WWII, but in the real world they cure nobody, just create an artificial need for their services. In the final analysis, mind therapy can be summarized with the old saw that a paid friend is better than no friend at all. But folks on this list have you and the many other kind souls here to help reinforce good behavior, and do not need that paid friend. I will qualify the above with the caveat that I am not talking about the severely mentally ill, but us run of the mill sociopaths do not need these quacks.
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Re: weight loss, but for how long?
Posted by: "ron42nm" ron42nm@gmail.com ron42nm
Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:30 am (PST)
Sorry, but that's not good enough. You don't really expect anyone to accept a statement like that just based on your say so, do you? If you are going to make a claim that studies support a position, you have to be willing to show those studies. Otherwise, people can make any unsubstantiated claims they want here and never have to prove them. That doesn't make for rational discourse. Meaningful discussion requires that members be able to document statements of fact. To paraphrase a great statesman and philosopher: you are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts. If you say you don't think therapy has any value, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, and entitled to state it. However, if you say studies show therapy has no value, then you are making a statement of fact, which you are not entitled to make up. You have to prove it.
Ron
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , "AnaLog Services, Inc." <analog@...> wrote:com
>
>
> I already waste a tremendous amount of time on reflector mailing lists, so I will respectfully decline providing research material.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ron42nm
> To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 1:05 PM
> Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] Re: weight loss, but for how long?
>
>
>
> Syd, you wrote, "But you're faith in psychologists, psychiatrists, and mental health therapists is misplaced. They are a waste of time, and studies clearly show that." You're going to have to produce those studies. Let's see them, and no cherry picking.
>
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Re: HI Im new.....
Posted by: "DavidF" deslotgod@yahoo.com deslotgod
Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:31 am (PST)
Had the full physical on tuesday,weight loss is going good still,1-3 lbs a week .The Dr listend to my issues and told me most of my major ones were likely BP related instead of glucose and cut my BP med in half,which has helped a lot with the suddent dizziness and such,seems 30 lbs makes a big difference on my BP(118/80 for a fat 42yr old aint bad),my sugars holding pretty steady under 140ish and hasnt passed 180 (even after heavier meals) in a long while,and hasnt dropped out of the 90's .Been walking 3-5 miles a day ,still doing the high protien /low carb no added sugars thing and with the increased activity so far its all good..My goal is now another 12 lbs by the end of Febuary ,and continuing to control diet/carbs,along with increasing excercise/activity levels.Best part of seeing him was a lot of info about what I need to do and some about my emotional issues regarding being sick,found out Im pretty much normal for the newly diagnosed mentally,and he says maybe a little above the curve effort wise,making all the life changes,studying my sickness rigorously and finding support groups. I celebrated by having 2 small cookies on xmas,and was suprised they didnt make a noticable effect on my tests (about a 3 point rise 1hr after I ate them)I just wont let myself slide often,tho 2 cookies has to be an improvement over 2 baked potatoes,a plate of candied yams,pie and a couple mt dews,Id have normally had with holiday dinner..Its really tough,but i think I can do this (which is a vast improvement over a week or so ago) ...I hope everyone else had a wonderful holiday and is loking forward to a brighter new year
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , "DavidF" <deslotgod@.com ..> wrote:
>
> I was diagnosed with type 2 about 6 weeks ago,Id been sickly for some time, exhausted and weak feeling,started getting sores on my calves,and abdomen ,thirsty all the time etc...So they ran a bunch of blood work and the one that looks at BG for a long period came back at 9.6 ,tested sugar that day was 403...so they started me on 500mg of metformin 2x a day and I began completely redoing my life style,from 1 huge meal a day to 6 tiny ones ,and cut out all added sugar,poatoes,carrots,corn etc ,currently doing the high protien /low carb and sugars thing. Im also morbidly obese with high blood pressure (that Ive been working on for a couple years) ....I lost 11 lbs the first 4 weeks,but its slowed to 1-2 lbs a week since,and my sugar is staying under 200,usually under 180 and mostly down around 120.For me right now the hard part is the "depression" feeling from extremely slow gain,I have a good 3-4 days never get past 130 even in the morning or after meals,run in the mid 110's and then doing the exact same thing Im having 130-180 days,and still adapting to the complete lifestyle change,and giving up all the foods i loved for unnoticable gains...how long does it take to start getting used to this,and quit being POed about being sick...Im looking forward to learning from you all,thanks,Dave
>
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Re: HI Im new.....
Posted by: "Jude" peridotjude@yahoo.com peridotjude
Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:18 pm (PST)
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , "DavidF" <deslotgod@.com ..> wrote:Had the full physical on tuesday,weight loss is going good still,1-3 lbs a week .The Dr listend to my issues and told me most of my major ones were likely BP related instead of glucose and cut my BP med in half <snip> sugars holding pretty steady under 140ish and hasn't passed 180 <snip> been walking 3-5 miles a day ,still doing the high protein /low carb no added sugars thing and with the increased activity so far its all good <snip> 2 cookies has to be an improvement over 2 baked potatoes,a plate of candied yams,pie and a couple mt dews,Id have normally had with holiday dinner..Its really tough,but i think I can do this (which is a vast improvement over a week or so ago)>>
Thanks for sharing your good progress with us, Dave; this is all terrific. Steady weight loss, exercise, eating sooooo much better, meds dosage adjustment downward, good glucose control, and an attitude improvement too, well, it doesn't get more better than that. Please continue to let us know how you're doing, and happy new year backatcha.
Judy D.
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gastroparesis and glucose tablets
Posted by: "Holly Shaltz" holly@shaltzfarm.com hollyshaltz
Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:36 am (PST)
I've had some success using glucose tablets to
control BG drops and rebounds due to exercise, but
not as much as I'd like. I'm feeling somewhat
woozy right now, though I never can tell if I
overshot the amount I needed and accidently caused
higher BGs than I want, or if I undershot and
ended up with a liver dump causing higher BGs.
Either way, the change is most unpleasant.
One thing I've seen is that it seems to take at
least 25 minutes for any amount of glucose tablet
to show up in my BG tests (taken just before
eating the tablet, then every 10 or 15 minutes
until I see my BG go up). This seems pretty slow
to me, especially if they're supposed to be used
to correct a low. Does anyone have any experience
to relate on how fast glucose hits their systems
from tablets?
I don't seem to have any other symptoms of
gastroparesis, but I certainly haven't been
assessed in any way for it. If the glucose *is*
slow to hit me, is it an indication of mild
gastroparesis? If it is, that may affect how I
time taking the tablets. I would need to plan to
take them 15 minutes or more ahead of time. I've
done that irregularly as I seem to have mixed
results from doing it like that.
Hoping others have some experience to offer,
Holly in MI
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Endo(??) refilled my Metformin at 1500 mg more than MAX dosage
Posted by: "brian cooper" brianevans_99@yahoo.com brianevans_99
Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:04 pm (PST)
A couple of weeks ago, I was preparing a list of my Rxs and supplements/vits to take to the cardiologist who was giving me heart tests. I was careful to check each bottle and write down the dose I was taking of everything in case my current list was wrong in any respect.
I had just happened to hear or read a couple of days earlier that the MAX dosage for Metformin (regular, not any ER form) is 2500mg/day. So you can imagine my surprise when I found the latest prescription said 4000 mg.
(My internist had previously prescribed most of my diabetic drugs, but the endo said she should do that.)
I checked with Walmart, and they confirmed that this dosage had been phoned in by the endo (at the local med school, East Carolina Univ), whom I have only seen once, last July, and who then scheduled my next appt for next March. She asked if I was willing to see a PA (I was already seeing) in the meantime, but that person left last Aug or Sept.
I'm very uncomfortable with this apparent error (or does anyone know of a situation can justify a 4000mg dose, despite the labeling?). Can't be 100 percent sure the endo was directly at fault---in case a nurse or tech phoned it in--but MDs do review all Rxs before phone-in, don't they. I also can't be 100 percent sure Walmart didn't goof.
Any of these people, I think, SHOULD know the max dosage of a diabetic med as common as Metformin, right?
Does anyone have ideas how I can nail down definitely who made the goof, and how I should deal with the endo at this pointn--Haven't written or called her yet--am just cutting the tabs to give me 1250mg in AM, and the same at night.
Many thanks,
Brian Cooper
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Re: Endo(??) refilled my Metformin at 1500 mg more than MAX dosage
Posted by: "AnaLog Services, Inc." analog@logwell.com sydlevine
Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:14 pm (PST)
Wal-Mart's computer should have choked on that and issued a warning to the pharmacist (whether they caught it themselves or not). I would go to Wal-Mart and ask em why they sent you out the door with that prescription.
----- Original Message -----
From: brian cooper
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:54 PM
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] Endo(??) refilled my Metformin at 1500 mg more than MAX dosage
A couple of weeks ago, I was preparing a list of my Rxs and supplements/vits to take to the cardiologist who was giving me heart tests. I was careful to check each bottle and write down the dose I was taking of everything in case my current list was wrong in any respect.
I had just happened to hear or read a couple of days earlier that the MAX dosage for Metformin (regular, not any ER form) is 2500mg/day. So you can imagine my surprise when I found the latest prescription said 4000 mg.
(My internist had previously prescribed most of my diabetic drugs, but the endo said she should do that.)
I checked with Walmart, and they confirmed that this dosage had been phoned in by the endo (at the local med school, East Carolina Univ), whom I have only seen once, last July, and who then scheduled my next appt for next March. She asked if I was willing to see a PA (I was already seeing) in the meantime, but that person left last Aug or Sept.
I'm very uncomfortable with this apparent error (or does anyone know of a situation can justify a 4000mg dose, despite the labeling?). Can't be 100 percent sure the endo was directly at fault---in case a nurse or tech phoned it in--but MDs do review all Rxs before phone-in, don't they. I also can't be 100 percent sure Walmart didn't goof.
Any of these people, I think, SHOULD know the max dosage of a diabetic med as common as Metformin, right?
Does anyone have ideas how I can nail down definitely who made the goof, and how I should deal with the endo at this pointn--Haven't written or called her yet--am just cutting the tabs to give me 1250mg in AM, and the same at night.
Many thanks,
Brian Cooper
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