Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)
- 1a.
- bernstein question From: zfrech
- 1b.
- Re: bernstein question From: Holly Shaltz
- 1c.
- Re: bernstein question From: Jude
- 2a.
- Re: What to expect from first Endo visit? From: Jude
- 2b.
- Re: What to expect from first Endo visit? From: jabutler98
- 2c.
- Re: What to expect from first Endo visit? From: xenitha
- 3a.
- Sharps Containers From: vze1k0d8@verizon.net
- 3b.
- Re: Sharps Containers From: Michael
- 3c.
- Re: Sharps Containers From: Terry Shimmins
- 3d.
- Re: Sharps Containers From: Tami
- 3e.
- Re: Sharps Containers From: Cindi Marshall
- 3f.
- Re: Sharps Containers From: Jude
- 4a.
- Re: you know you're diabetic when.... From: Holly Shaltz
- 4b.
- Re: you know you're diabetic when.... From: Holly Shaltz
- 4c.
- Re: you know you're diabetic when.... From: Terry Shimmins
- 4d.
- Re: you know you're diabetic when.... From: Diane Moro
- 5a.
- Re: my bread experiment From: sharon osborn
- 6.1.
- Re: OT buying DME on eBay From: saintpatrick1942
- 7a.
- Re: snowshoeing and glucose From: Holly Shaltz
- 8a.
- Re: Cooking with wine From: Tiamat
- 8b.
- Re: Cooking with wine From: Jude
- 9.
- Supplements to help lower BG levels From: jwar0429
- 10a.
- Hello, I am new here From: Collette
- 10b.
- Re: Hello, I am new here From: Jude
- 11.1.
- Re: insurance stuff From: Theresa Markese
Messages
- 1a.
-
bernstein question
Posted by: "zfrech" zoefrechette@hotmail.com zfrech
Thu Jan 7, 2010 12:26 pm (PST)
Hi there,
I am pre-diabetic (had gestational diabetes and my BG has never been "normal" since but I'm not in the full diabetic range). I've been somewhat following the Bernstein diet since the baby was born (with cheating, since I've told myself I'm not "really diabetic" - bad, I know.) But I haven't read the book in a while, and as I think about my diabetes future, I'm wondering something. If people are on medication for diabetes, or insulin, how can they safely follow an extremely low-carb diet? Don't they need more carbs than the amount Bernstein recommends? Or is the idea that if they follow the Bernstein diet they won't need as much medication? That actually leads me to a follow up question. While of course I know that having diabetes isn't good for your health, is there anything inherently bad for you about taking mediation for diabetes? Is it that taking medication makes your diabetes worse? Or that they have terrible side effects? Is there a reason to avoid taking meds at all cost? IT sort of seems like if medication isn't so terrible for you, why not take it and follow a reasonably low carb (but not extreme low carb) diet and be able to enjoy food a little bit, and not be so restricted in what you can eat? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Best, Zoe
- 1b.
-
Re: bernstein question
Posted by: "Holly Shaltz" holly@shaltzfarm.com hollyshaltz
Thu Jan 7, 2010 1:27 pm (PST)
Zoe writes:
<<If people are on medication for diabetes, or
insulin, how can they safely follow an extremely
low-carb diet? Don't they need more carbs than the
amount Bernstein recommends?>>
That's for sure what the ADA would probably tell
you :)
<< Or is the idea that if they follow the
Bernstein diet they won't need as much medication?>>
Bingo! He calls it the "law of small numbers".
If you're not eating a lot of carbs, you're not
stressing your pancreas to respond to those carbs,
and you're not needing a lot of meds and/or
injected insulin to cover those carbs. Small
inputs mean small mistakes, as well, so
life-threatening lows from overdoses of meds or
insulin are much less likely.
<<is there anything inherently bad for you about
taking mediation for diabetes?>>
Depends on what medication it is, what
side-effects it has on *your* body, how the cost
factors into your budget, how you feel about
taking medications in general, and of course,
whether or not it actually helps you feel better
and be healthier.
<< Is it that taking medication makes your
diabetes worse?>>
In a way, I personally feel that drugs which force
the pancreas to excrete more insulin does just
that. After the pancreas has been pumping out
excessive amounts of insulin for *years* in us
T2s, to cope with creeping BGs due to increasing
IR, then we give it meds to make it excrete more
still? I've read in many places (*not* just
Bernstein :) that the pancreas' beta cells will
eventually burn out from all that insulin
production. So I, personally, won't take any
drugs of that type ever again. Not to mention the
lows that followed even half the smallest dose
available....
<< Or that they have terrible side effects?>>
Some do - some people have terrible diarrhea from
metformin, for example; I escaped most of the
gastrointestinal problems, just having a little
mild nausea for a couple weeks, but I ended up
with moderate eczema instead. I felt that eczema
was worth the benefits I got from the drug, though
I ended up having to take a Zyrtec clone for a
while to cope with the itching. Pros and cons, as
with everything in life.
<< Is there a reason to avoid taking meds at all
cost?>>
That's kind of a philosophical question :) It's
up to each person to hear the advice of the
medical team, educate him/herself on the benefits
and risks, decide what advantages vs disadvantages
there will be to health and quality of life, and
then decide to take the medication or refuse it,
or perhaps negotiate a different med or different
dose.
<< IT sort of seems like if medication isn't so
terrible for you, why not take it and follow a
reasonably low carb (but not extreme low carb)
diet and be able to enjoy food a little bit, and
not be so restricted in what you can eat?>>
I took a sulfanylurea back in the beginning.
*Even when I ate the ADA diet, with around 180 g
of carb a day, and even when my dose was cut back
to a minimum, I still suffered from lows every
time I exercised, and occasionally without warning
in between.* Reason enough, without worrying
about my pancreas, for me to stay off those types
of drugs :)
I don't know of a drug that *I* could take that
would let *my* body manage with more carbs, except
*maybe* injected insulin - but I'm not,
apparently, likely to be given that choice, and I
strongly suspect it would just lead to weight gain
anyway.
Do I *like* eating so low carb? NO!!!! Of
course I don't! :) Wouldn't I love to eat the
bread I bake for the family? Wouldn't I love to
enjoy the varieties of apples and pears I
discovered for the first time in my first 3 months
eating the ADA diet? Wouldn't I <sobbing><g> love
to have a 16-ounce glass of icy cold milk again?
I'm not even talking goodies like cookies, candy,
<sigh> popcorn. Just "normal, healthy food" -
except, for *my* body, it's no longer healthy.
But I know of no way to do that, even in very
small portions, and still maintain near-normal BGs
and my 60-pound weight loss. So I'm kind of stuck
- do I want more carbs to enjoy, or do I want to
enjoy this new, healthier, lighter, smaller, much
less painful, much less depressed, much less
likely to die in a heartbeat body? OK, so not a
lot of choice there, after all! <g>
<< Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.>>
This is *my* body. Other bodies, for whatever
reason, are not nearly as sensitive to carbs as
mine. And other people will choose their own,
very different, targets for their BGs and A1C.
Within those differences of body and goals lies a
very wide range of options regarding medication,
diet, and exercise, for attaining the goals.
One size definitely *doesn't* fit all when it
comes to diabetes management :)
Holly in MI
- 1c.
-
Re: bernstein question
Posted by: "Jude" peridotjude@yahoo.com peridotjude
Thu Jan 7, 2010 8:55 pm (PST)
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , Holly Shaltz <holly@...> wrote:com
> Or is the idea that if they follow the Bernstein diet they won't need as much medication?>>
> Bingo! He calls it the "law of small numbers".If you're not eating a lot of carbs, you're not stressing your pancreas to respond to those carbs, and you're not needing a lot of meds and/or injected insulin to cover those carbs>>
Which is all fine and dandy if a) your glucose isn't so high that simple, even drastic or "extreme" dietary changes alone can't get a handle on it-- I mean, let's face it, some folks are diagnosed with 14.0+ A1c's and are half dead-- those people would be ill-advised to be told to stop eating carbs except for a few carrots and some broccoli every day-- how many could even begin to do it or even want to do it? and b) if you've got a handle on your own psychological and physical food-issue parameters enough to even want to "diet" (and let's face it again, this is GOING to feel like a diet, "die-with-a-T", at least at first) or be able to face dieting and weight loss. Foodies sometimes just cannot diet, for whatever reason.
And so some need meds! For a doc to tell a 300 pound T2, newly diagnosed with a 14.0 A1c (or really anything over about 10.0) to stop all bread, cereal, crackers, pasta, rice, potatoes, milk, fruit, fruit juice and get their carbs from veggies alone... what new diabetic wouldn't be shocked back onto their keisters?
Again, and I've said this a lot, I know, although not recently-- Bernstein is not for everyone. For those who are healthy enough physically to get along without meds, who can face a life without carbs, for whatever reasons, and who are motivated to the max for their own personal reasons, what he preaches makes perfect sense. But not everyone has the wherewithal to eat 30 grams of carbs a day long term.
Definitely a YMMV thing. Your mileage may vary.
And as my mom used to say (as a cat-lover, I hate this expression, but it does tell the tale), "There's more than one way to skin a cat"-- there are various ways to get the job done, and IMO, one is not right and another wrong. Bernstein, simple lifestyle changes, insulin therapy, oral meds, a combo of all, whatever, all of them are a means to an end, and the important thing is to get to that end in a reasonable amount of time and stay there.
< Is it that taking medication makes your diabetes worse?>>
They can, long term. Not metformin, which is generally accepted to be a good drug for not only type 2s but those suffering from any of the ramifications of metabolic syndrome (glucose intolerance, high blood pressure, excess abdominal fat, PCOS in women, high systemic inflammation levels, high triglycerides, low HDL and high LDL). But the hypoglycemic oral meds, of which there are many brands and types, all stimulate the pancreas to make and secrete more insulin, and the latest thinking is that years of this kind of therapy can actually cause those little islets to "burn out" and quit altogether, necessitating insulin therapy in the end anyway, something that IMO would have been better started earlier rather than later.
Judy D.
- 2a.
-
Re: What to expect from first Endo visit?
Posted by: "Jude" peridotjude@yahoo.com peridotjude
Thu Jan 7, 2010 12:41 pm (PST)
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , Michael <bigbear@...com > wrote:
I'm scheduled to see an endocrinologist for the first time in two
week>>
I'm glad to hear this. I know you've been having an awful time in the last few months, which must be frustrating and scary. The endo will get you straightened out.
<<I'm wondering what to expect from the initial visit>>
You will have arrived in Diabetes Central, where they actually know what they're talking about, and not only that, they have an inkling of what you deal with 24/7, the good, the bad AND the ugly! <G>
Bring your meter with you. They'll download the info off it for your chart. Bring your glucose and food logs. Bring a list of all your meds, including dosages. Bring your insurance ID card. heh
They'll weigh you, maybe do a BMI, do a stat glucose and a stat A1c, make copies of your log, download your meter, and then you'll see the doc, who will use the time he's allotted to see what's going on with you, see what you need, go over your self-care routine etc.
You didn't ask my opinion, but I'd lobby hard for stopping the Byetta cold, for stopping the glyburide cold, and for staying on Lantus, but also getting on an insulin-to-carb ratio and correction factor with some Humalog.
Insulin is the short-term and long-term answer to your problem, along with weight loss and exercise... you know, it's the same old saw. But one of the things I like about insulin is the lack of drug side effects-- it takes some managing, and yeah, it can cause weight gain if you eat too much (like duh...), but it WILL do the trick for you, and that'd be true, even if your A1c were currently 14.5 or something... insulin WILL work, no matter how pooped out your pancreas is.
Judy D.
- 2b.
-
Re: What to expect from first Endo visit?
Posted by: "jabutler98" jabutler98@yahoo.com jabutler98
Thu Jan 7, 2010 2:27 pm (PST)
I had my first Endo visit two days ago. I have been managed very well for the past 6 years by my family practitioner. About a year ago, my A1C starting increasing from about 5.5 to 6.5. My doc increased my Prandin and also added Lantus about 4 months ago without much impact on my A1C. My morning blood sugar readings have gotten up to about 180 and it has been very difficult for me to get the BS down during the day even with the Prandin and very strict adherence to diet and exercise.
The endo that I went to specializes in diabetes care. They did a very thorough assessment, sent me to a dietician to make sure that I clearly understand the diet part of my program.
At the endo, they put me on Novolog with meals in addition to my Lantus. They ran several blood tests to try and determine what function, if any, I have with my pancreas as well as making everything else is okay. They ran a C-peptide test, a CBC, a Vitamin D level and few others. They already had a chemisty panel, A1C and lipid panel from my FP. For now, I am on a sliding scale insulin regimen. My body is definitely responding to the Novolog. They are having me test 4 times a day and they have requested that I send my log of bugar readings and insulin injections to them once a week.
Once they get me stabilized, they will be sending me back to the FP for him to manage and monitor me.
This is simply my experience, yours may be different. I figured that with my visit being just two days ago, it may be relevant to you.
I am a little less frustrated and now hopeful.
Jerry
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , Michael <bigbear@...com > wrote:
>
> I'm scheduled to see an endocrinologist for the first time in two
> weeks. I'm wondering what to expect from the initial visit. More
> so, I'm wondering if they will do any tests to see how well my
> pancrease is functioning. My GP who has treated my diabetes since
> I was diagnosed nearly five years ago recently increased my
> glyburide from 5mg to 15mg daily but even when I eat what should
> be a healthy meal, I'm still seeing my numbers rise. This morning
> I was 207 when I woke up. Breakfast was two eggs scrambled with
> 1/2 cup diced lean ham and a slice of tomato. 90 minutes after I
> ate, I was at 201. It has now been three hours since I ate and I
> just tested again and I'm up to 224! All I've had since I left
> the house is a bottle of water.
>
> My thought is if my pancreas was even half-way working, the
> glyburide should have made me go even lower than the 201 post-meal
> reading. With the high numbers I've had for the past several
> months (even after going on Lantus), I'm beginning to think my
> pancrease has totally failed and that I really need other insulin
> injections througout the day.
>
> All the Endo's office said was to bring a list of all meds and my
> previous two weeks worth of glucose readings to my initial visit.
> I sure hope he will be able to do something to get me back to a
> reasonable level. For the first four years, I had no problem
> staying below 150 with fasting numbers typically in the 90s but
> this past year has seen a dramatic rise. I also hope the Endo
> will do another HbA1C test as my last one in late August came back
> at 7.0 yet I was at 5.3 six months earlier.
>
> Totally frustrated,
> --Michael
>
- 2c.
-
Re: What to expect from first Endo visit?
Posted by: "xenitha" xenitha@yahoo.com xenitha
Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:06 pm (PST)
Michael, before you go crazy, there are a couple of things to consider. Food isn't the only thing that affects your BG level. Stress drives it up. Exercise brings it down. Medicines can affect it. And sometimes it just goes its merry way. Ask your Endo about the differences in numbers and ask him (her) to explain why the difference.
And lastly, check your monitor to make sure it's working properly.
- 3a.
-
Sharps Containers
Posted by: "vze1k0d8@verizon.net" vze1k0d8@verizon.net hummycherub
Thu Jan 7, 2010 1:33 pm (PST)
I remember seeing something about this awhile back. Is there
something (other than buying one) that can be used to put the
needles in? I use the Lantus Solostar pen and needles.
I called the pharmacy and they want $10.00 for a small size one.
- 3b.
-
Re: Sharps Containers
Posted by: "Michael" bigbear@acsalaska.net bigbear_ak
Thu Jan 7, 2010 2:08 pm (PST)
If you want to deal with something bulky, just about any
hard-sided plastic bottle will do as long as you have the lide
for it. When full, seal with tape and mark as hazardous
waste. Depending on where you live, you might have special
disposal requirements but when I used a sharps container, I
simply took mine in with me to a doctor's visit and they
disposed of them for me. You don't have to worry about the
Lantus pen - just toss in the trash when finished.
I no longer use a sharps container because I found something
much better. It's called the Safe Clip and is made by BD
(look in your pharmacy or you can oder online for around
$5). It's like a nail clipper except you stick the sharp end
of the needle into it and squeeze down. It will clip off the
needle tip and will hold around 1,500 needles (do not use it for
lancets as they are too thick). When it's full, simply take
to the doctor. Much less bulky than those unsightly bottles
and I can carry it in my pocket wherever I go.
--Michael
----- Original Message -----
- 3c.
-
Re: Sharps Containers
Posted by: "Terry Shimmins" xquid79@yahoo.com xquid79
Thu Jan 7, 2010 2:20 pm (PST)
Some pharmacies will give you one. Bring it in full and exchange for another empty one. I've heard of some people using milk bottles, but my pharmacy was reluctant to take anything other than their regular red containers.
_____________________ _________ __
From: "vze1k0d8@verizon.net " <vze1k0d8@verizon.net >
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 3:33:09 PM
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] Sharps Containers
I remember seeing something about this awhile back. Is there something (other than buying one) that can be used to put the needles in? I use the Lantus Solostar pen and needles.
I called the pharmacy and they want $10.00 for a small size one.
- 3d.
-
Re: Sharps Containers
Posted by: "Tami" vze1k0d8@verizon.net hummycherub
Thu Jan 7, 2010 8:26 pm (PST)
The safe clip sounds cool but the thing i use has a needle on both sides. I am afraid my dog or cats will get in the basket and get ahold of it.
The pharmacy that sells the containers wont take them once they are full. I will keep looking around I guess
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Type-2-Diabetes] Sharps Containers
If you want to deal with something bulky, just about any hard-sided plastic bottle will do as long as you have the lide for it. When full, seal with tape and mark as hazardous waste. Depending on where you live, you might have special disposal requirements but when I used a sharps container, I simply took mine in with me to a doctor's visit and they disposed of them for me. You don't have to worry about the Lantus pen - just toss in the trash when finished.
I no longer use a sharps container because I found something much better. It's called the Safe Clip and is made by BD (look in your pharmacy or you can oder online for around $5). It's like a nail clipper except you stick the sharp end of the needle into it and squeeze down. It will clip off the needle tip and will hold around 1,500 needles (do not use it for lancets as they are too thick). When it's full, simply take to the doctor. Much less bulky than those unsightly bottles and I can carry it in my pocket wherever I go.
--Michael
--------------------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
----- Original Message -----
- 3e.
-
Re: Sharps Containers
Posted by: "Cindi Marshall" cjmobxnc@embarqmail.com cindimarshall196327909
Thu Jan 7, 2010 8:29 pm (PST)
I just recently asked my CDE this same question, and she said I could use a large liquid laundry detergent or bleach bottle, being sure to tape the lid securely to the container using duct tape when it was full. Of course, local laws vary, so contact your local health department if you don´t have a CDE.
Cindi
From: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. [mailto:Type-2-Diabetes@com yahoogroups. ] On Behalf Of vze1k0d8@verizon.com net
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:33 PM
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] Sharps Containers
I remember seeing something about this awhile back. Is there something (other than buying one) that can be used to put the needles in? I use the Lantus Solostar pen and needles.
I called the pharmacy and they want $10.00 for a small size one.
- 3f.
-
Re: Sharps Containers
Posted by: "Jude" peridotjude@yahoo.com peridotjude
Thu Jan 7, 2010 9:01 pm (PST)
BD sells a small needle clipper you can use to snip off the needle, which then falls into the clipper's on board container. When full, it's discarded, and it holds several hundred needles. Then the plastic nub or plastic syringe can just be discarded in the trash.
If you can't find a needle clipper in your pharmacy, ask the pharmacy staff to order you one. The price should be around 3 bucks, and as I said, you probably won't need more than 2 a year. They make the handling of needles much safer and the disposal a no-muss, no-fuss proposition.
Judy D.
- 4a.
-
Re: you know you're diabetic when....
Posted by: "Holly Shaltz" holly@shaltzfarm.com hollyshaltz
Thu Jan 7, 2010 1:55 pm (PST)
Diane writes:
<<Holly, am I understanding that going shopping
gives you lows? What's that
about? what kind of shopping are you doing?
I'm really confused. Because shopping doesn't seem
like such a big thing to
me, unless I'm doing it wrong???>>
Shopping makes me feel very woozy. Here's what I
*think* is going on: I'm walking around a good
deal more than normal. My BG starts to sink just
a bit as a result. Bang, my liver kicks in a
glucose dump, and I end up going pretty high (for
me) and feeling terrible. I continue chugging
along, BG starts to normalize, then sinks just a
touch, and bang, the liver dumps again. That kind
of see-sawing is very uncomfortable
(understatement there) for me, and it's not good
for the body in general.
Bernstein warns against the glucose drop inherent
in even just strolling around a shopping mall. I
picked up on that bit, plus the recommendation to
use glucose tablets during exercise to forestall
lows, and put them together in my 2 g of glucose
each hour. It was too much glucose, but I did
feel a lot better than any of the previous outings
of that sort I've done in the previous year.
That's my body. Yours is different. If you don't
have wooziness or high BGs unexplained by the food
you ate, don't worry about it - you're not doing
anything "wrong" :)
Holly in MI
- 4b.
-
Re: you know you're diabetic when....
Posted by: "Holly Shaltz" holly@shaltzfarm.com hollyshaltz
Thu Jan 7, 2010 2:09 pm (PST)
Michael writes:
<<Holly, have you tried Glucose RapidSpray?>>
Nope, hadn't heard of it - thanks for the link,
I'll look for it at Meijer's. It's a heck of a
lot more expensive than tablets, though :)
Holly in MI
- 4c.
-
Re: you know you're diabetic when....
Posted by: "Terry Shimmins" xquid79@yahoo.com xquid79
Thu Jan 7, 2010 2:20 pm (PST)
Favorite flavors of glucose tabs I buy at CVS are grape & butterscotch.
_____________________ _________ __
From: Holly Shaltz <holly@shaltzfarm.com >
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 8:52:39 AM
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] you know you're diabetic when....
Your idea of a "treat" is buying a new lancing
device *and* a new flavor of glucose tablets! <LOL>
- 4d.
-
Re: you know you're diabetic when....
Posted by: "Diane Moro" deemoro@gmail.com signoradiana
Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:55 pm (PST)
wow! Holly, I never realized that bg could change that rapidly just from
doing ordinary every day things. I hate the mall, but I never made a bg
connection. I just thought I hated the crowds, the overheated stores, the
high prices.
Only kidding half way, I will have to bring my monitor with me next time I
go shopping just for the hell of it.
BTW, I do most of my food shopping in a store that offers cubes of cheddar
cheese and crackers. I love that store!
~diane
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Holly Shaltz <holly@shaltzfarm.com > wrote:
>
> Shopping makes me feel very woozy. Here's what I
> *think* is going on: I'm walking around a good
> deal more than normal. My BG starts to sink just
> a bit as a result. Bang, my liver kicks in a
> glucose dump, and I end up going pretty high (for
> me) and feeling terrible. I continue chugging
> along, BG starts to normalize, then sinks just a
> touch, and bang, the liver dumps again. That kind
> of see-sawing is very uncomfortable
> (understatement there) for me, and it's not good
> for the body in general.
>
>
- 5a.
-
Re: my bread experiment
Posted by: "sharon osborn" shaross8@gmail.com osborn.sharon
Thu Jan 7, 2010 2:19 pm (PST)
> If I want a sandwich now, I use Arnold whole wheat, two slices will not spike me very high, always below 120 two hrs after. Rye is supposed to be good but I don't care for it.
> btw, you're not THE Sharon Osborn, are you? (Ozzy's Mrs?) lol
>
> ~diane
Ah, thanks mucho for the brand name, Diane, although I searched and
it's not sold locally. I'll have to get a minion to mail it<g>
Although I'm red, okay, with henna's help now, no relation to the UK
Osbornes. Just married to the Osbornite since 87'. I tell him he
causes all my grief, including sugar spikes, but he's not going for
it...Lucky, I'm wacky enough to have my own 'reality' show, except for
the ghastliness of the concept. No two-leggeds, but lots of doggie
shenanigans with 12.
gards,
share o' walla wall,wa US
- 6.1.
-
Re: OT buying DME on eBay
Posted by: "saintpatrick1942" flanpat@msn.com saintpatrick1942
Thu Jan 7, 2010 3:34 pm (PST)
That's part of the propaganda the suppliers want people to believe. My supplier is happy to sell me a new portable concentrator, without a prescription, for about $5000. I have also bought two pulse oxygen meters in the last 8 years, without a prescription- as well as a cpap and a couple of masks.
Patrick
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , "Jude" <peridotjude@com ...> wrote:
>
> --- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , "saintpatrick1942" <flanpat@> wrote: Until a couple of years ago, there were often used oxygen concentrators for sale on EBAY.Somebody got to them, though, and they won't list them now.It's amazing how many people/businesses these people can control>>com
>
> They're a prescription item, and it's illegal to sell them to those for whom they weren't prescribed. To buy one legally, even a used one, you have to show a current prescription from a doc, and you have to purchase it from a dealer or authorized supplier.
> Judy D.
>
- 7a.
-
Re: snowshoeing and glucose
Posted by: "Holly Shaltz" holly@shaltzfarm.com hollyshaltz
Thu Jan 7, 2010 4:26 pm (PST)
I had a *wonderful* time snowshoeing! The friend
who hosted me is the one who wasn't diagnosed as
diabetic with a fasting BG of 125 - her A1C the
same day was 6.8 - *imagine* being told to go home
and watch your sugar with that!
Anyway, we had a nice low-carb lunch - salad and
not enough protein for me, but I brought two
cheese sticks just in case and ate both, giving me
about 4 ounces of protein. Then we went out and
she put snowshoes on us. She had a pair of ski
poles for me to use at first, but I soon didn't
need them.
It was, in fact, much easier than I expected, and
so much fun! We were out there for 40 minutes,
and I felt great throughout. Interestingly, I've
always thought of this friend as in great shape
compared to me, but going up her driveway (which
is quite steep) she had to stop for breath, while
I was raring to keep going.
The challenge, as with anything I do seems like,
was trying to keep the BG steady. It was 92
before we went out, not long after lunch, so I
knew the bulk of that was yet to hit my
bloodstream. I took 2 g of glucose to be on the
safe side, and then didn't take any more. I was
98 coming back in, so may have had a mild sugar
dump - I did feel a little woozy about 20 minutes
after taking the tablet, which might have been it
hitting, or a dump. I dunno - it's all guesswork.
And yes, I need to work this out, because these
changes are *not* fun.
The other thing was trying to keep my hands warm
<sigh> I was wearing my double mittens - worsted
weight wool yarn outside, sportweight angora/wool
blend on the inside. But my hands got really
cold, and hurt like they always do when cold. Not
as severe as it sometimes gets, but bad enough to
take away some of the pleasure. Something to add
to the list for my endo, I guess.... My friend
didn't have the same problem, with single-layer
mittens of worsted weight wool only. It was about
24, with only a very little wind, which didn't go
through the mittens at all.
And I didn't take the meter out. I have no idea
how you're supposed to keep it warm enough to use,
and then with as cold as my hands get, it's hard
to believe I'd be able to get blood out to test
anyway.
Afterwards, over cups of tea, we talked about
diabetes, I gave her a publication I got from my
diabetes classes, and the latest (and *last*! :)
ADA magazine. She even decided to take a BG test
- it was 91 when I was 98. She's decided to order
a meter, and I think will follow my suggestion
that she tell her doctor she wants a prescription
for at least 6 strips a day.
I know she's been afraid she'd have to low-carb
like I have to; I've told her over and over that
it depends on *her* body, and I think maybe having
a lower test result than I had might have
reassured her some. I didn't tell her just one
test like that, with me eating more protein than
she did, doesn't really mean much :)
Now to find a pair of used snowshoes! :)
Holly in MI
glad to have found a way to get outside in the
winter more, since there's usually too much snow
to walk readily for 6 full months of the year....
- 8a.
-
Re: Cooking with wine
Posted by: "Tiamat" tiamat99@comcast.net lulamoon99
Thu Jan 7, 2010 6:10 pm (PST)
My slow cooker is busy right this minute with a pot roast rx found online! I have made it before and it is delicious.
Uses regular coke as the liquid + Liptons Onion Soup mix.
[I add lotsa garlic and some other flavorings. ] Doesn't raise bg's at all...of course it's a dense meat and portions are small. It's a gynormous cut so much will go to freezer.
Tiamat
----- "Diane Moro" <deemoro@gmail.com > wrote:
I frequently cook with wine, especially in stir fries. Last night I cooked a pot roast in the slow cooker (all day) in red wine, it was awesome. I see no difference in my bg after eating meats cooked in wine.
> ~diane YMMV
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:20 PM, xenitha < xenitha@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
I like to use wine when cooking roasts and generally pour it generously. I know that the alcohol cooks off, but what about the sugar? Calories? Do I need to add the calories to my calorie count?
>
>
>
>
> - 8b.
-
Re: Cooking with wine
Posted by: "Jude" peridotjude@yahoo.com peridotjude
Thu Jan 7, 2010 9:30 pm (PST)
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , Tiamat <tiamat99@..com .> wrote:
My slow cooker is busy right this minute with a pot roast rx found online! I have made it before and it is delicious. Uses regular coke as the liquid + Liptons Onion Soup mix. [I add lotsa garlic and some other flavorings. ] Doesn't raise bg's at all...of course it's a dense meat and portions are small. It's a gynormous cut so much will go to freezer. Tiamat>.
Mmmm *watering mouth* Here's my plate, can I have a bit of that thar meat? Mmmm, sounds delish, and I bet it smelled delish, too.
Judy D.
- 9.
-
Supplements to help lower BG levels
Posted by: "jwar0429" jwar0429@yahoo.com jwar0429
Thu Jan 7, 2010 6:26 pm (PST)
Hi, I am new to the group. I have been a Type 2 for several years now. I was wondering if anyone takes any kind of herbal supplement to help lower BG levels. I have read a lot of stuff on the internet about different herbal supplements but don't know if they are safe to try or not. I know that you can't believe everything you read, so I'd like some feedback from someone who has tried one of these and how it worked for you. Thanks.
- 10a.
-
Hello, I am new here
Posted by: "Collette" cofees@yahoo.com cofees
Thu Jan 7, 2010 8:30 pm (PST)
Hi, my name is Collette. I am 43 years old, I live in Wichita, KS. I have 2 boys, ages 19 and 21.
I was dx'd with Diabetes Oct. 28, 2009. So, I am pretty new at this. I have several other health problems, lupus, fibromyalgia, sleep apnea, and it goes on.
My biggest problem with the diabetes is that you have to eat. I do good if I eat once a day.
- 10b.
-
Re: Hello, I am new here
Posted by: "Jude" peridotjude@yahoo.com peridotjude
Thu Jan 7, 2010 9:29 pm (PST)
--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. , "Collette" <cofees@...> wrote:com
Hi, my name is Collette. I am 43 years old, I live in Wichita, KS. I have 2 boys, ages 19 and 21. I was dx'd with Diabetes Oct. 28, 2009. So, I am pretty new at this. I have several other health problems, lupus, fibromyalgia, sleep apnea, and it goes on. My biggest problem with the diabetes is that you have to eat. I do good if I eat once a day.>
Welcome to the list, Collette. Are you due to see your doctor again soon to see how you're doing? Are you home testing to see how your glucose levels are running?
Starvation is not good for anyone, much less anyone dealing with several chronic illness. A grazing WOE works, three mini-meals and three snacks a day is the healthiest. I'm not talking more food, just more spread out food.
Have you seen a nutritionist to even find out what you should be eating, should you find yourself so inclined?
Judy D.
- 11.1.
-
Re: insurance stuff
Posted by: "Theresa Markese" luciousgreeneyedlady@yahoo.com luciousgreeneyedlady
Thu Jan 7, 2010 9:39 pm (PST)
If there is anyone who lives in or around Covina, California I really need some help. This poor economy has hit home. My full time job has been cut to a part time job. Which now means minus 1/2 pay every month and if that is not bad enough, my medical insurance has been cancelled. I a freaking out! I am now barely making enough money to pay my rent. Is there somewhere around here that can help me pay for my medications? Should I look for a free clinic? I'm scared and I have no idea where to start.
Thank you,
Theresa
--- On Thu, 1/7/10, GJ <gj.lentz76@gmail.com > wrote:
From: GJ <gj.lentz76@gmail.com >
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] Re: insurance stuff
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 8:30 AM
just sticking my 2cents in here, i have limited medical insurance through my work, i wait tables, so i rarely have a paycheck to show for my hours. whatever the insurance cannot deduct from my check i have to mail a payment in. often i am several months behind on "back-owe" and seem to be in a perpetual zone of never knowing when/if my insurance might be canceled out. SO, I investigated into the family health clinic here and they have their own little system, Im guessing most places do. because of my low income they put me on what they call "sliding scale" which offers me near 100% coverage for dr visits there at the clinic, with only a $5 co-pay, good for an entire year. When i was first diagnosed, along with high blood pressure and cholestrol, they first sent my scripts to walgreens, and it was all like over 300 dollars with the pewny pharm/discount card i have, i about had a panic/anxiety attack. well, the clinic also has a pharmacy of its own, though
some scripts may have to be ordered, I have gotten a free meter, and my meds at like a 75% discount. It HELPS sooo much, obviously. There seems to be various ways of getting discounted care/scripts, but you have to really put yourself out there and dig around, because they certainly dont advertise it to you :( hospitals are much the same way, i have found, generaly they will work with you, because they know something is better than nothing, and in the long run it costs them more to have to send your stuff to collection down the road.
gregory, new to type2, from b.c. MI
Need to Reply?
Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest.
*** All information discussed on this list is not to be taken as medical advice but the experience of each member based on discussions with their doctors. ***
*** Please always consult with your doctor about what treatment options are best for your situation. ***
*** Please always consult with your doctor about what treatment options are best for your situation. ***
Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required)
Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Individual | Switch format to Traditional
Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe
No comments:
Post a Comment