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Saturday, January 2, 2010

[Type-2-Diabetes] Digest Number 3853

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1a.

Re: Statin Drugs/hair falling out?

Posted by: "ron42nm" ron42nm@gmail.com   ron42nm

Sat Jan 2, 2010 9:03 am (PST)



Hair loss is a rare reported side effect of statins. I couldn't find references but I would assume the hair returns after stopping the drug. Interestingly, statins have also been reported to produce hair growth in some patients with alopecia areata, an autoimmune cause of hair loss. Statins have anti-inflammatory properties that may be responsible for the effect.

Ron

--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com, Amal <amal_mba10@...> wrote:
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>
>
> --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Jill Ranney <jill.ranney@...> wrote:Please don't take offense, but I was wondering where you found information talking about how statins can be a reason for hair loss.
> *************************Jill, I am talking about the experience of a close friend who had long thick lustrous hair and was diagnosed with high cholesterol only.  She is not diabetic and not old (around 31 years of age only).  As soon as she started taking statins  her hair started falling off. She discontinued the medication after a heated discussion with her doctor.  Now she is much better and regaining growth.  The drug made her look like an aged woman.  People lose hair for a myriad of reasons.  It can be genetic, menopause, bad styling habits, excessive coloring & highlights, exposure to chemicals, use of medicines, etc.   My hair was much thicker when I was younger.  I am 41 years old now and I do not have as much volume as I had before so YES as we age our hair becomes weaker and thins out.  I have seen an example in front of me of a beautiful woman losing her hair because of statins and when I wrote the message I spoke about that
> experience only.  It may or may not happen to others.  I, for one won't take the risk! I just did a search on yahoo for statins and hair loss and got some hits.  Amal
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Re: Statin Drugs/hair falling out?

Posted by: "Katherine Walker" KWALKER5@nc.rr.com   sighnsmile

Sat Jan 2, 2010 9:08 am (PST)



Thanks, Amal. Where did you read that statins cause hair loss?

My doctor has prescribed an anticholesterol drug and a bone density drug. Both of which I am hesitant to take. My nutritionalists has me on a mediterranean diet and says my cholesterol will go lower by the changes in food intake.

Plus, my hair is already thinning since menapause. So I definitely don't want to lose more hair.

So please send me the link for the information about hair loss from statins.

Thank you,

Katherine

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Katherine Walker <KWALKER5@nc.rr.com> wrote:

Amal,
I know what hair falling out is but what was it that you meant caused
this. The Statins or the CoQ10 or what?

************** Oh! Apologies Katherine. The statins caused the hair loss.Amal

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Re: Statin Drugs/hair falling out?

Posted by: "Auntym2u@aol.com" Auntym2u@aol.com   flowersdunnright

Sat Jan 2, 2010 9:38 am (PST)



Jill,

I have been pre-diabetic for
10 years. So I've never been on any meds yet and have been losing my hair for that entire time. I went to an Endo who told me that my pre-diabetic state was what was causing my hair loss. I think it may be a combination of having the pre-disposition for baldness and being diabetic. I learned in college that you have to inherit baldness from both side of the family (your mother's side n your father's side). My mother has not lost any hair but her father was pretty bald. My dad's hair is real thin. So I did have it from both sides.

I'm to the point of looking into hair pieces. It not such a bad thought anymore. All the movie stars use them and their hair isn't even thin.

Hopefully in your case it will be the meds but if not I've been their and understand how hard it is.

Anne
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Jill Ranney" <jill.ranney@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 23:07:45
To: <Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Type-2-Diabetes] Re: Statin Drugs/hair falling out?

Amal, I have been experiencing my hair thinning. It has been very upsetting
because my hair is looking like an elderly woman's hair sometimes
looks..thin and fuzzy. I haven't been able to understand why this started.
After the thread about statins and hair loss I thought to myself.Uhhu. The
timing of hair loss in my memory coincides with the start of taking statin
drugs. So today while the conversation was happening on this discussion
group I researched statin side effects. I couldn't find anything that said
anything about statins and hair loss. Please don't take offense, but I was
wondering where you found information talking about how statins can be a
reason for hair loss.

Thanks,

Jill



From: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Amal
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:54 PM
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Type-2-Diabetes] Re: Statin Drugs/hair falling out?








--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Katherine Walker <KWALKER5@nc.rr.com> wrote:




Amal, I know what hair falling out is but what was it that you meant caused
this. The Statins or the CoQ10 or what?





************** Oh! Apologies Katherine. The statins caused the hair loss.


Amal







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Re: Statins - To Katherine

Posted by: "Amal" amal_mba10@yahoo.com   amal_mba10

Sat Jan 2, 2010 1:13 pm (PST)





--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Katherine Walker <KWALKER5@nc.rr.com> wrote:
Thanks, Amal. Where did you read that statins cause hair loss? 

My doctor has prescribed an anticholesterol drug and a bone density drug.. Both of which I am hesitant to take. My nutritionalists has me on a mediterranean diet and says my cholesterol will go lower by the changes in food intake.

Plus, my hair is already thinning since menapause. So I definitely don't want to lose more hair.

So please send me the link for the information about hair loss from statins.
*********Hi Katherine,  I did not read about statins causing hair loss but did a brief search earlier today on yahoo and saw some links.  As I wrote to Jill in another message it happened to one of my friends.  By exercising and changing your diet I hope you will see better numbers on your next blood test.  Losing hair is very depressing to men let alone women!  I'd recommend you try out some natural remedies, herbs etc that may help.   Fish oil, Flax seed, Psyllium Husk are useful. I have slightly elevated cholesterol but the triglycerides are normal. My mom, a non-diabetic has high cholesterol and my dad is a diabetic so I got the blessings from both sides of the family!!  Wishing you health and happiness in 2010 and many years to come.Amal

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2.1.

Re: Wee - Holly

Posted by: "Wee K Chew" wee@weekhiong.plus.com   wee_khiong

Sat Jan 2, 2010 9:04 am (PST)



"Hi, Wee :) Did you see your doctor on Tuesday?
What was the result? I hope those lows are a
thing of the past! Holly in MI"

First off, Happy New Year to you all :)

Holly, I did see my Doctor and I must continue taking the 80mg of Gliclazide daily.
He will review in February when my next HBA1C & Cholesterol check-up is due.
My Retinopathy Screening is on the 27th, this month.

It appears the 2g of Metformin daily had reached the point of stabilisation and becoming effective(started in Oct).
Add to that the Gliclazide(started in Oct) was also doing its job and plus actively cutting down on carbs portion size.
All that added may have trigger the hypos I was getting which I was not prepared for (and it caught me by surprise).
I am in control of my BG now & no more hypos lately.

All thanks to this group who NEVER tires of giving out "Valued & educated" suggestions.
I am really glad to have found this group :)

Heh! What would I do without this group? :)))

Kind Regards,
Wee Middlesex, UK
Age 52 today,
H-172cm, W-70Kg
BMI=23.81,
BG - 4-7mmol/L
Cho - don't know yet
Calories needed/day - 2351

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3.1.

Re: Carbohydrate Counting

Posted by: "Wee K Chew" wee@weekhiong.plus.com   wee_khiong

Sat Jan 2, 2010 9:32 am (PST)



I know Carbohydrate Counting is not really intended for T2 Diabetic Patient
which I am.
Nontheless, I like to measure the amount of carbohydrates I am eating.

I just bought myself a really nice Salter Digital Scale(Max 5Kg) :)
It is tiny, only (l)18x(w)16x(h)20cm dimensions :)
Sits on the bookshelf nicely :)

My question is ;-

How do I know what foods gives what amount of carbohydrates relative to
their cooked weight?
I hope this is not a silly question.

Where would I obtain more information on Carbs counting?

Kind Regards,
Wee Midx UK


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3.2.

Re: Carbohydrate Counting

Posted by: "Jude" peridotjude@yahoo.com   peridotjude

Sat Jan 2, 2010 9:49 am (PST)



--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com, "Wee K Chew" <wee@...> wrote:
I know Carbohydrate Counting is not really intended for T2 Diabetic Patient which I am.>

Where'd you get that idea? Both types of diabetics can carb count and be benefited by it.

> How do I know what foods gives what amount of carbohydrates relative to their cooked weight?I hope this is not a silly question. Where would I obtain more information on Carbs counting?>

There's a small pocket-sized book called The Calorie King Calorie, Fat and Carbohydrate Counter that's wonderful. It lists all the common foods by portion size and tells the carb, fat and calorie count for each. For foods that can be eaten raw or cooked, both are listed separately. My own Calorie King book, which is the 2009 edition, also includes a nice basic tutorial about diabetes. I just checked with amazon.com UK, and they have the 2008 edition available, if you're interested.

Judy D.

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3.3.

Re: Carbohydrate Counting

Posted by: "Tiamat" tiamat99@comcast.net   lulamoon99

Sat Jan 2, 2010 2:56 pm (PST)



Used copies also available at half.com. Prices range from .75-->$15.

http://product.half.ebay.com/_W0QQprZ54230271QQcpidZ1375848011

Tiamat

----- "Jude" <peridotjude@yahoo.com> wrote:

--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com , "Wee K Chew" <wee@...> wrote:>
> Where'd you get that idea? Both types of diabetics can carb count and be benefited by it.
>
> > How do I know what foods gives what amount of carbohydrates relative to their cooked weight? .....
>
> There's a small pocket-sized book called The Calorie King Calorie, Fat and Carbohydrate Counter that's wonderful. It lists all the common foods by portion size and tells the carb, fat and calorie count for each. For foods that can be eaten raw or cooked, both are listed separately. My own Calorie King book, which is the 2009 edition, also includes a nice basic tutorial about diabetes. I just checked with amazon.com UK, and they have the 2008 edition available, if you're interested.
>
> Judy D.

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3.4.

Carbohydrate Counting - Jude :)

Posted by: "Wee K Chew" wee@weekhiong.plus.com   wee_khiong

Sat Jan 2, 2010 3:00 pm (PST)



"Where'd you get that idea? Both types of diabetics can carb count and be
benefited by it."

A Senior Dietician told me before Xmas when I ask her about Carbohydrate
counting.
She said ;-

"it does not apply to you Wee, it applies to T1 Diabetics.
You should be OK following the portion sizes we discussed"


"There's a small pocket-sized book called The Calorie King Calorie, Fat and
Carbohydrate Counter that's wonderful.
It lists all the common foods by portion size and tells the carb, fat and
calorie count for each.
For foods that can be eaten raw or cooked, both are listed separately.
My own Calorie King book, which is the 2009 edition, also includes a nice
basic tutorial about diabetes.
I just checked with amazon.com UK, and they have the 2008 edition available,
if you're interested. Judy D."

I prefer the 2009 edition.
I will make enquiries for other sources in UK, apart from Amazon UK.
Really grateful for the heads-up :)


Wee
Middx UK

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3.5.

Re: Carbohydrate Counting - Jude :)

Posted by: "Deb Billwiller" auroraws@yahoo.ca   auroraws

Sat Jan 2, 2010 5:08 pm (PST)



go through what your local book stores sell Wee, if you can find one
published in the UK you'll be better off. It will then include foods
common over there that those of us on this side of the pond aren't
familiar with... and won't include a lot of brand name items that you
don't get over there. Your dietitian can probably recommend some
British ones as well.

Deb in BC

At 10:09 PM 2010-01-02, you wrote:

>I prefer the 2009 edition.
>I will make enquiries for other sources in UK, apart from Amazon UK.
>Really grateful for the heads-up :)
>
>
>Wee
>Middx UK

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3.6.

Re: Carbohydrate Counting - Deb in BC :)

Posted by: "Wee K Chew" wee@weekhiong.plus.com   wee_khiong

Sat Jan 2, 2010 8:20 pm (PST)



"go through what your local book stores sell Wee, if you can find one
published in the UK you'll be better off. It will then include foods
common over there that those of us on this side of the pond aren't
familiar with... and won't include a lot of brand name items that you
don't get over there. Your dietitian can probably recommend some
British ones as well. Deb in BC"

It's OK Deb:)

I found a copy of "The CalorieKing Calorie 2009 Edition, Fat & Carbohydrate
Counter"
By Allan Borushek; Paperback; 6.85UKP (incl. 2.75UKP shipping).
It normally takes up to 9 days to cross the pond, from past experience.
Delivery estimate: 7 Jan 2010 - 19 Jan 2010

I can't help to buy another book I saw there.
"The Calorie, Carb and Fat Bible 2009: The UK's Most Comprehensive Calorie
Counter"
Lyndel Costain; Paperback; £7.62, Sold by: Amazon EU S.a.r.L.
Delivery estimate: 8 Jan 2010 - 12 Jan 2010
Dispatch estimate for these items: 5 Jan 2010
Delivery Method: FREE Super Saver Delivery

Wee
Middx UK

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4a.

Re: glycated tendons

Posted by: "David Fooce" deslotgod@yahoo.com   deslotgod

Sat Jan 2, 2010 9:38 am (PST)



Hmmm, maybe I should just get up and do T'ai Chi
when I can't sleep from the pain? But maybe that
would be pretty extreme? <g>

 
Thats what I do for frequent(chronic) muscle pain or stress,either a good workout or a little incense and some tai chi ,to get somewhere beyond the pain. My pain isnt sugar related,at least i doubt it is,being from a lifetime of hard work and much harder play ( I earned every ache and pain :) ) but I expect the result of meditation or excercise would be the same regardless of the cause,Look at the jane ritual where they tear out their hair without feeling it,compared to that a little ache/pain shouldnt be unsolvable. sometimes treating the symptom,ie chronic pain is the answer rather than curing it (not always possible) ..I hope you find the answer that works for you...Dave

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Holly Shaltz <holly@shaltzfarm.com> wrote:

From: Holly Shaltz <holly@shaltzfarm.com>
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] glycated tendons
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 11:59 AM

 

Syd writes:

<< If you want a referral for glycated tendons,
whatever that is supposed to mean>>

Glycated tendons are what result in the pain we
know as frozen shoulders, among other joint pains.
I have pain in both shoulders, both hips, and
both elbows that i believe are caused by glycated
tendons. No, none were caused by traumatic
injuries. No, none of them are getting better in
spite of continuing to use them. No, you didn't
say either, but the medical personnel I have
mentioned them to all have, so this "take no
prisoners" diabetic offers a preemptive strike :)

From _Diabetes Solution_, page 64:

"Prolonged high blood sugars can cause glycation
of the tendons. Glycation is the permanent fusing
of glucose to proteins, and the simplest analogy
is bread crust. Think of the soft inside of the
bread as your tendons as they should be, and the
crust is what happens when they're exposed to
elevated blood sugars over a long period of time.
Glycation of tendons occurs in such common
diabetic complications as Dupuytren's contractures
of the fingers, frozen shoulders, trigger fingers,
carpal tunnel syndrome, and iliotibial band/tensor
fascialata syndrome of the hips and upper legs.
All of these conditions are easily treated if
caught early and blood sugars are controlled. A
musculoskeletal examination can identify these in
their early, treatable stages."

Unfortunately for me, mine haven't been caught
early, and I haven't had a musculoskeletal
examination. I've had increasingly severe hip
pain for 10+ years, first in the right hip, then
starting up in the left. My right shoulder began
giving me problems in June 08; my left is starting
up now. I've had carpal tunnel in the past, but
managed to treat it myself with wrist supports
while knitting, keyboarding, and doing other
things that stress my wrists. The latest issue
has been both elbows, starting in early 09. My
neck may now be involved, as well.

I don't personally like the bread crust analogy -
one can easily tear off a bread crust, after all,
while Bernstein says the fusing of glucose to
tendon is "permanent". I don't know if the cause
of my pain can be treated, or whether I'll just
have to grin and bear it for the rest of my life.
I *do* know the pain is starting to make
sleeping more of a problem than it has been. I
nearly always wake up around 2 am to go to the
bathroom, and then I can't get to sleep again for
typically 2+ hours afterwards due to the joint pain.

I mentioned the hip pain to my PA with my second
visit to her, the first one for my official status
as a diagnosed diabetic. It took a year of
telling her I wanted to see a doctor about it at
every visit before she finally gave me a referral
- to an orthopedic guy who dismissed it after 5
minutes as sciatica or maybe bursitis. I didn't
yet know about glycation; I was just relieved to
know it wasn't a diseased hip.

I immediately researched bursitis and sciatica
when I got home, and found my symptoms aren't even
close to those. But when I finally read Dr
Bernstein's article on frequently mis-diagnosed
complications of diabetes, in which he describes
"iliotibial band/tensor fascialata syndrome", I
saw myself mirrored with near perfection.

Until I can be diagnosed properly and treated (if
any treatment is available), I finally tried Aleve
yesterday for the first time and it helped a lot,
which ibuprofen and aspirin and Tylenol never did.
So for a while, anyway, I will take Aleve at
night, and maybe I will sleep a bit better. I can
deal with the pain during the day, and my T'ai Chi
warmups relieve it for a couple hours afterwards, too.

Hmmm, maybe I should just get up and do T'ai Chi
when I can't sleep from the pain? But maybe that
would be pretty extreme? <g>

Holly in MI

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4b.

Re: glycated tendons

Posted by: "AnaLog Services, Inc." analog@logwell.com   sydlevine

Sat Jan 2, 2010 10:09 am (PST)



Why do they tear out their hair? That does not sound like a particularly good idea.

----- Original Message -----
From: David Fooce
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Type-2-Diabetes] glycated tendons

Hmmm, maybe I should just get up and do T'ai Chi
when I can't sleep from the pain? But maybe that
would be pretty extreme? <g>

Thats what I do for frequent(chronic) muscle pain or stress,either a good workout or a little incense and some tai chi ,to get somewhere beyond the pain. My pain isnt sugar related,at least i doubt it is,being from a lifetime of hard work and much harder play ( I earned every ache and pain :) ) but I expect the result of meditation or excercise would be the same regardless of the cause,Look at the jane ritual where they tear out their hair without feeling it,compared to that a little ache/pain shouldnt be unsolvable. sometimes treating the symptom,ie chronic pain is the answer rather than curing it (not always possible) ..I hope you find the answer that works for you...Dave

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Holly Shaltz <holly@shaltzfarm.com> wrote:

From: Holly Shaltz <holly@shaltzfarm.com>
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] glycated tendons
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 11:59 AM

Syd writes:

<< If you want a referral for glycated tendons,
whatever that is supposed to mean>>

Glycated tendons are what result in the pain we
know as frozen shoulders, among other joint pains.
I have pain in both shoulders, both hips, and
both elbows that i believe are caused by glycated
tendons. No, none were caused by traumatic
injuries. No, none of them are getting better in
spite of continuing to use them. No, you didn't
say either, but the medical personnel I have
mentioned them to all have, so this "take no
prisoners" diabetic offers a preemptive strike :)

From _Diabetes Solution_, page 64:

"Prolonged high blood sugars can cause glycation
of the tendons. Glycation is the permanent fusing
of glucose to proteins, and the simplest analogy
is bread crust. Think of the soft inside of the
bread as your tendons as they should be, and the
crust is what happens when they're exposed to
elevated blood sugars over a long period of time.
Glycation of tendons occurs in such common
diabetic complications as Dupuytren's contractures
of the fingers, frozen shoulders, trigger fingers,
carpal tunnel syndrome, and iliotibial band/tensor
fascialata syndrome of the hips and upper legs.
All of these conditions are easily treated if
caught early and blood sugars are controlled. A
musculoskeletal examination can identify these in
their early, treatable stages."

Unfortunately for me, mine haven't been caught
early, and I haven't had a musculoskeletal
examination. I've had increasingly severe hip
pain for 10+ years, first in the right hip, then
starting up in the left. My right shoulder began
giving me problems in June 08; my left is starting
up now. I've had carpal tunnel in the past, but
managed to treat it myself with wrist supports
while knitting, keyboarding, and doing other
things that stress my wrists. The latest issue
has been both elbows, starting in early 09. My
neck may now be involved, as well.

I don't personally like the bread crust analogy -
one can easily tear off a bread crust, after all,
while Bernstein says the fusing of glucose to
tendon is "permanent". I don't know if the cause
of my pain can be treated, or whether I'll just
have to grin and bear it for the rest of my life.
I *do* know the pain is starting to make
sleeping more of a problem than it has been. I
nearly always wake up around 2 am to go to the
bathroom, and then I can't get to sleep again for
typically 2+ hours afterwards due to the joint pain.

I mentioned the hip pain to my PA with my second
visit to her, the first one for my official status
as a diagnosed diabetic. It took a year of
telling her I wanted to see a doctor about it at
every visit before she finally gave me a referral
- to an orthopedic guy who dismissed it after 5
minutes as sciatica or maybe bursitis. I didn't
yet know about glycation; I was just relieved to
know it wasn't a diseased hip.

I immediately researched bursitis and sciatica
when I got home, and found my symptoms aren't even
close to those. But when I finally read Dr
Bernstein's article on frequently mis-diagnosed
complications of diabetes, in which he describes
"iliotibial band/tensor fascialata syndrome", I
saw myself mirrored with near perfection.

Until I can be diagnosed properly and treated (if
any treatment is available), I finally tried Aleve
yesterday for the first time and it helped a lot,
which ibuprofen and aspirin and Tylenol never did.
So for a while, anyway, I will take Aleve at
night, and maybe I will sleep a bit better. I can
deal with the pain during the day, and my T'ai Chi
warmups relieve it for a couple hours afterwards, too.

Hmmm, maybe I should just get up and do T'ai Chi
when I can't sleep from the pain? But maybe that
would be pretty extreme? <g>

Holly in MI


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4c.

Re: glycated tendons

Posted by: "David Fooce" deslotgod@yahoo.com   deslotgod

Sat Jan 2, 2010 10:40 am (PST)



Doesnt to me either, its part of a ritual/ceremony using meditation to put themselves beyond pain,which was the point,pain/chronic pain is controlable thru meditation and excercise.
--- On Sat, 1/2/10, AnaLog Services, Inc. <analog@logwell.com> wrote:

From: AnaLog Services, Inc. <analog@logwell.com>
Subject: Re: [Type-2-Diabetes] glycated tendons
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 12:41 PM

 


Why do they tear out their hair?  That does not sound like a particularly good idea.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: David Fooce
To: Type-2-Diabetes@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Type-2-Diabetes] glycated tendons

 

Hmmm, maybe I should just get up and do T'ai Chi
when I can't sleep from the pain? But maybe that
would be pretty extreme? <g>

 
Thats what I do for frequent(chronic) muscle pain or stress,either a good workout or a little incense and some tai chi ,to get somewhere beyond the pain. My pain isnt sugar related,at least i doubt it is,being from a lifetime of hard work and much harder play ( I earned every ache and pain :) ) but I expect the result of meditation or excercise would be the same regardless of the cause,Look at the jane ritual where they tear out their hair without feeling it,compared to that a little ache/pain shouldnt be unsolvable. sometimes treating the symptom,ie chronic pain is the answer rather than curing it (not always possible) ..I hope you find the answer that works for you...Dave

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5.1.

Re: eggs

Posted by: "Terry Shimmins" xquid79@yahoo.com   xquid79

Sat Jan 2, 2010 9:38 am (PST)



My doctor always considered my cholesterol levels "just peachy".  Until a few years ago when she read a report recommending lower levels for patients with chronic illness (diabetes).   So she prescribed Lipitor (too low), switched to a generic lovostatin.   Have about 3-4 eggs on Sunday breakfast, along with sausage.   Only big breakfast I have all week.   Still , fortunately , cholesterol control is not a major issue between me & doc.

________________________________
From: barbhealth2008 <barbhealth2008@yahoo.com>
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 6:10:59 PM
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] eggs

 
How many eggs do most people here eat a week?

I only eat 3 eggs a week maxiumum. They are very high in cholesterol. I know the Atkins Diet claims that tons of bacon, etc. is okay, but my doctor doesn't believe in that and neither do I. Not in the long term anyway.

Do most people here watch their cholesterol along with their glucose levels? I do. My doctor is really big on my keeping my cholesterol extremely low.

Barb

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Any use for old Accu-check Compact strips?

Posted by: "Emma Jean S" emmajean.smith@yahoo.com   emmajean.smith

Sat Jan 2, 2010 10:07 am (PST)



Hi,

I cleaned out mom's bedroom and almost died! There are some 4-6 mo old and others 9 mo old. I do not want anyone to use the solely but if you test many times a day some people use them.

Emmajean

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Re: Any use for old Accu-check Compact strips?

Posted by: "Terry Shimmins" xquid79@yahoo.com   xquid79

Sat Jan 2, 2010 11:11 am (PST)



The test strips I've seen usually have an expiration date of about 18 months from purchase date.  Exp. date usually on the vial or the foil covering of individual strips.

________________________________
From: Emma Jean S <emmajean.smith@yahoo.com>
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 11:54:19 AM
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] Any use for old Accu-check Compact strips?

 
Hi,

I cleaned out mom's bedroom and almost died! There are some 4-6 mo old and others 9 mo old. I do not want anyone to use the solely but if you test many times a day some people use them.

Emmajean

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Re: Any use for old Accu-check Compact strips?

Posted by: "Wee K Chew" wee@weekhiong.plus.com   wee_khiong

Sat Jan 2, 2010 2:59 pm (PST)



From: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Shimmins
Sent: 02 January 2010 18:43


"The test strips I've seen usually have an expiration date of about 18 months from purchase date.

Exp. date usually on the vial or the foil covering of individual strips."

Yesterday I collected my new container of 50 Accu-Check Test Strips.

It has a date of 2011-02 on the white & blue label stuck to the container.

Wee Middx UK J

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good recepies

Posted by: "questsky" questsky@yahoo.com   questsky

Sat Jan 2, 2010 10:39 am (PST)



I have a one toast sandwhich with a bunch of vegetables and cheese piled on top. I cook it in the broiler and then eat with a fork and knife.

When I eat eggs, I boil them and then throw away the yolk and eat only the white parts.

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8a.

Re: Some Bariatric Surgery Types Better than Others...

Posted by: "Anne" Auntym2u@aol.com   flowersdunnright

Sat Jan 2, 2010 12:59 pm (PST)



Brian,

I have had gastric banding surgery. I have lost only 35 pounds in a year. But I figure if I lose 35 pounds a year I'll be happy. I don't want to lose too fast anyway. I didn't lose fast at first on all liquid because I could drink a normal day of calories in liquid easy. But when I got to food it has really changed the way I eat. I only had 1 round of saline solution put in my band but had a terrible time adjusting to eating slowly, small bites, chewing my food to mush with each bite, and no drinking anything 5 minute before, during, and until 20 minutes after finished. The pain is crazy if you don't follow the rules and sure to be followed with a round of throwing up! So you do learn to adjust. What I do is eat of few bites stop give myself a breather and then eat of few more bites. Done is the days of wolfing something down in a hurry. I am satisfied with very small portions which is nice. I eat like a little kid. But beware because you can still graze all day long. Just a few bites twice per hour can add up to a full day of eating. I do try to focus on protein. Because you have to focus on what you really need and not on what you may want. For example I will no longer eat pasta without meat sauce, vegetable lasagna, or any combination of foods that doesn't include protein. Try to do protein shakes to help with this issue but haven't been happy since they recalled all slim fast (which was my favorite). I put chicken in cream of chicken soup and eat over mashed potatoes. This is low fat protein that is band freindly. However having high bg adds another issue to the pot now. Not to mention I'm pregnant and only certain foods even sound good.

Good luck if anyone decides on surgery. I'm really happy I had mine done (even after enduring the pain of the adjustment). I like being a little eater! Its neat!

Anne

--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com, brian cooper <brianevans_99@...> wrote:
>
> Concerning the mention of someone having gastric bypass surgery, losing a lot quickly, then regaining it with lots of other negative outcomes...
>
> If someone were to have bariatric surgery today, s/he should likely choose lap-banding rather than gastric bypass or the third type (can't remember). The bypass procedure upsets the balance of vitamins and other beneficial substances that need to go through your stomach, and--if it's reversible, which it may not be--that would be a big and expensive hassle.
>
> Lap-band surgery, however--which doubtless has its own set of problems, too--can be easily adjusted or even undone. And it is designed to let you know when you're full so you tend not to overeat. If you cram down too much, you'll feel nauseated, and learn better habits.
>
> That comparison is a very sketchy one, and I'd welcome hearing from anyone who's had one or the other, and gotten to "the other side of the pond."
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Cooper
> __________________________________________________________
>
> --- On Fri, 12/25/09, Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com <Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com <Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] Digest Number 3836
> > To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com
> >
>

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8b.

Re: Some Bariatric Surgery Types Better than Others...

Posted by: "Jill Ranney" jill.ranney@comcast.net   jill_ranney

Sat Jan 2, 2010 2:58 pm (PST)



Ann,

35 lbs is 35 lbs. try lifting 35 pounds. But that aside, is 35 lbs around
the average weight loss for one year. Somehow I thought it was more like
60lbs to 70 lbs and over 100 lbs for 2 years. I think 35 lbs a year would be
better for your body to allow it to adjust skin wise to the loss. One of the
factors I use in deciding against lap band surgery is the excess skin I
would be left with and how to deal with it. Does it eventually adjust on its
own after time? Has your BG lowered because of the weight loss? How do you
cope with medications you may need to take? I'm on 10 different meds/day due
to my T2 and kidney transplant. Does your body absorb the meds, but just
slower? Do you have any exercise restriction (after the incision has
healed)?

Jill

From: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:47 PM
To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] Re: Some Bariatric Surgery Types Better than
Others...

Brian,

I have had gastric banding surgery. I have lost only 35 pounds in a year.
But I figure if I lose 35 pounds a year I'll be happy. I don't want to lose
too fast anyway. I didn't lose fast at first on all liquid because I could
drink a normal day of calories in liquid easy. But when I got to food it has
really changed the way I eat. I only had 1 round of saline solution put in
my band but had a terrible time adjusting to eating slowly, small bites,
chewing my food to mush with each bite, and no drinking anything 5 minute
before, during, and until 20 minutes after finished. The pain is crazy if
you don't follow the rules and sure to be followed with a round of throwing
up! So you do learn to adjust. What I do is eat of few bites stop give
myself a breather and then eat of few more bites. Done is the days of
wolfing something down in a hurry. I am satisfied with very small portions
which is nice. I eat like a little kid. But beware because you can still
graze all day long. Just a few bites twice per hour can add up to a full day
of eating. I do try to focus on protein. Because you have to focus on what
you really need and not on what you may want. For example I will no longer
eat pasta without meat sauce, vegetable lasagna, or any combination of foods
that doesn't include protein. Try to do protein shakes to help with this
issue but haven't been happy since they recalled all slim fast (which was my
favorite). I put chicken in cream of chicken soup and eat over mashed
potatoes. This is low fat protein that is band freindly. However having high
bg adds another issue to the pot now. Not to mention I'm pregnant and only
certain foods even sound good.

Good luck if anyone decides on surgery. I'm really happy I had mine done
(even after enduring the pain of the adjustment). I like being a little
eater! Its neat!

Anne

--- In Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Type-2-Diabetes%40yahoogroups.com> , brian cooper
<brianevans_99@...> wrote:
>
> Concerning the mention of someone having gastric bypass surgery, losing a
lot quickly, then regaining it with lots of other negative outcomes...
>
> If someone were to have bariatric surgery today, s/he should likely choose
lap-banding rather than gastric bypass or the third type (can't remember).
The bypass procedure upsets the balance of vitamins and other beneficial
substances that need to go through your stomach, and--if it's reversible,
which it may not be--that would be a big and expensive hassle.
>
> Lap-band surgery, however--which doubtless has its own set of problems,
too--can be easily adjusted or even undone. And it is designed to let you
know when you're full so you tend not to overeat. If you cram down too much,
you'll feel nauseated, and learn better habits.
>
> That comparison is a very sketchy one, and I'd welcome hearing from anyone
who's had one or the other, and gotten to "the other side of the pond."
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Cooper
> __________________________________________________________
>
> --- On Fri, 12/25/09, Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Type-2-Diabetes%40yahoogroups.com> <Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Type-2-Diabetes%40yahoogroups.com> > wrote:
>
> > From: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Type-2-Diabetes%40yahoogroups.com> <Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Type-2-Diabetes%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > Subject: [Type-2-Diabetes] Digest Number 3836
> > To: Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Type-2-Diabetes%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
>

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Re: Some Bariatric Surgery Types Better than Others...

Posted by: "Auntym2u@aol.com" Auntym2u@aol.com   flowersdunnright

Sat Jan 2, 2010 4:11 pm (PST)



Jill,

It seems like some people lose their weight right away. Its been hard for me bc I tended to want to eat what was easy (which was ice cream). The band has eased up since I first had the water put in, which has allowed me to start eating more salads, fruit, and vegetables. I don't have full blown sugar yet. And hope to avoid getting it. I have been pre-diabetic for 10 years, which is partially why I wanted the surgery. I am now pregnant and had the 1 hour test for bg, which came out high (193). I have also been testing myself at home, where it has never been high. Have to have 3 hour test next week. Anyway, I don't take any meds yet, but banding don't mess with absorption. Might make it a little slower that's all. With banding they don't do anything to your intestines like they do with bypass. They only put a band around your stomach. My husband would not let me get the bypass because it was not reversable.

I'm not worried a bit about skin. I'd rather have loose skin then be over weight because loose skin is healther. I'm losing slow anyway so I don't think it will be as bad, but if it is I'll get the skin surgery when I get a boob job. I figure those will hang pretty good to. I will get a loan and make payments if I have to, but I'm not there yet.

I also read that people who have the banding surgery gain far less weight with pregnancy then people that don't. So I'm happy about that, since gaining a ton of weight would be detrimental to my health.

Anne
Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel

-----Original Message-----
From: "Jill Ranney" <jill.ranney@comcast.net>
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:17:51
To: <Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Type-2-Diabetes] Re: Some Bariatric Surgery Types Better than Others...

Ann,

35 lbs is 35 lbs. try lifting 35 pounds. But that aside, is 35 lbs around
the average weight loss for one year. Somehow I thought it was more like
60lbs to 70 lbs and over 100 lbs for 2 years. I think 35 lbs a year would be
better for your body to allow it to adjust skin wise to the loss. One of the
factors I use in deciding against lap band surgery is the excess skin I
would be left with and how to deal with it. Does it eventually adjust on its
own after time? Has your BG lowered because of the weight loss? How do you
cope with medications you may need to take? I'm on 10 different meds/day due
to my T2 and kidney transplant. Does your body absorb the meds, but just
slower? Do you have any exercise restriction (after the incision has
healed)?

Jill
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8d.

Re: Some Bariatric Surgery Types Better than Others...

Posted by: "Auntym2u@aol.com" Auntym2u@aol.com   flowersdunnright

Sat Jan 2, 2010 4:12 pm (PST)



Jill,

No resrictions on exercise after u heal. Doctor told me I could start walking again on treadmill in 2 days. Had surgery done laparoscopicly though.

Also skin elasticity depends on how much weight you loose, how fast, and how old you are.

Anne
Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel

-----Original Message-----
From: "Jill Ranney" <jill.ranney@comcast.net>
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:17:51
To: <Type-2-Diabetes@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Type-2-Diabetes] Re: Some Bariatric Surgery Types Better than Others...

Ann,

35 lbs is 35 lbs. try lifting 35 pounds. But that aside, is 35 lbs around
the average weight loss for one year. Somehow I thought it was more like
60lbs to 70 lbs and over 100 lbs for 2 years. I think 35 lbs a year would be
better for your body to allow it to adjust skin wise to the loss. One of the
factors I use in deciding against lap band surgery is the excess skin I
would be left with and how to deal with it. Does it eventually adjust on its
own after time? Has your BG lowered because of the weight loss? How do you
cope with medications you may need to take? I'm on 10 different meds/day due
to my T2 and kidney transplant. Does your body absorb the meds, but just
slower? Do you have any exercise restriction (after the incision has
healed)?

Jill
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9a.

Re: year-end report

Posted by: "Tiamat" tiamat99@comcast.net   lulamoon99

Sat Jan 2, 2010 2:14 pm (PST)



Congratulations on truly terrific year end report! That took some big time discipline, dedication and responsibility.
I do know what you mean about being vigilant and you are right about that! Mb down the road you can allow some wiggle room, but not yet.
When your bod is fully adjusted to the new place it will be easier to goof off once in awhile....but have to come back to woe really soon. The ^%$%^&* problem is that it creeps and sneaks up very subtly, so that before you are even aware, you say: well that worked ok so another cookie can't hurt. That sets off more subtle cravings and there you are [I are] eating most of the cake before you know it.

So gold stars for all the hard hard work!! * * * *
Vigilance is totally right.

Tiamat

----- "Holly Shaltz" <holly@shaltzfarm.com> wrote: >
aking it as intentioned, with love and concern :)
> Relax, how? <g> I mean, if I relax how I eat,
> my BGs will go up. If I relax how I exercise,
> ditto. And in both cases I'd feel a lot lousier
> besides.

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Re: Tiamat- beefalos Re: rant about BG swings

Posted by: "Tiamat" tiamat99@comcast.net   lulamoon99

Sat Jan 2, 2010 8:07 pm (PST)



I used to buy beefalo by the case from distributer in nextdoor town. After long time the business closed and I couldn't find bflo anywhere, was sad. By then I was doing well so I moved on to the more available chuck, chicken, turkey, fish. I know buffalo is available now on the web...pretty xpensive. Haven't tried it yet.
Do you raise for your own use or do you sell?

Tiamat

----- noreengray@ymail.com wrote:

Such a great response! The word 'beefalo' started me off then read everyword after that. Do you still eat beefalo? I ask because we have raised beefalo for some time now and finally have a processor that does it right. We appreciate knowing that it is grass fed, no antibiotics or vacinations, etc.
> Noreen

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